[LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities

[Jim Thompson]

On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Maddog wrote:

> I'm not talking about putting a Linksys et. al, AP in you hotel  
> hallway, I am talking about a commercial Wi-Fi deployment. You are  
> not going to deploy that crappy equipment in Waikiki and expect not  
> to be over run by the guys already there using much more powerful  
> equipment.

I have equipment deployed in Waikiki.  Really.  (I'm not the  
provider, but we did sell the gear.)

> C'mon Jim. We are going to be on opposite sides of this discussion  
> forever so let's just agree to disagree. As long as you have  
> hardheaded, old boys running the hotels there is no way you are  
> going to have free wireless in Waikiki. I have been here for 15  
> years and nothing has changed that would make hotel execs see the  
> light. If something is sold on your wireless AP they want a cut. As  
> recently as last week Friday that was the case.

And it will change.   I've been doing hotel WiFi in various guises  
since 1998.   Wayport had over 1,000 hotels when I left.   It will  
change in Hawaii slower than elsewhere because there is no business  
requirement driving the hotels here.  Hawaii is a resort  
destination.  People come here to play.  That said, even Disney's  
hotels are going free wireless.

> If you don't believe me talk to Gordon Bruce. He'll tell you of the  
> countless headaches and bickering he has endured from all the  
> players about how they are going to get their cut of the rev-share  
> pie. It is just not realistic to think it will ever happen here.

Since anyone can put up the next AP, there is no business model  
possible in outdoor WiFi.

> I am right in the middle of it. Bandwidth charges and Wi-Fi. I know  
> all about it.
>
> MD
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Thompson" <jim at netgate.com>
> To: "LUAU" <luau at lists.hosef.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities
>
>
>> I'm sorry, but a single AP in your coffee shop/mcdonalds/lunch  
>> counter/.... will cost you less than $100.
>>
>> Hotels (on the mainland) have figured out that people will   
>> preferentially stay where there first was WiFi and now folks will   
>> stay where its free.
>> This is especially true in the "3 star" level places.   (Nobody   
>> expects water to be free in the Four Seasons.)
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Maddog wrote:
>>
>>> I know plenty about the cost of bandwidth. I also know about the   
>>> cost of deploying wireless equipment and maintaining the  
>>> network.  It is not viable to offer free wi-fi unless you can pay  
>>> for the costs.
>>>
>>> MD
>>>>> Bandwidth and equipment cost money and I don't see any  
>>>>> companies lining up to donate either.
>>>>
>>>> Bandwidth... what do you know about bandwidth charges?
>>>>
>>>>> MD
>>>
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