[LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g

[Jimen Ching]

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Nakashima wrote:
> Over the years, I've witnessed exceptional acts of generosity, cooperation and 
> community within HOSEF and LUAU. However, the level of bickering has surprised 
> me.

Are you sure you're living in Hawaii?  Level of bickering is surprising? 
Are you not monitoring the Rail Transit debate?  Are you not monitoring 
the Hawaii K-12 education debate?  If you have a group of people that has 
more than 5 people, you'll have bickering.  Is this a surprise for you? 
Where are you from?

> Being an educator, not a geek (in the positive sense), my rose-colored 
> expectations lead me to believe there would be a greater sense of community. I 
> hope HOSEF and LUAU can evolve into a strong, positive force for change.

I don't know what's going on.  I've been reading this list continuously, 
but somehow, this issue came about and I missed the beginning or 
something.  What exactly is the issue?

Jim, just to clarify; HOSEF is not LUAU and LUAU is not HOSEF.  LUAU 
predated HOSEF.  If you want to know HOSEF, just visit its website.  As 
for LUAU, this is it.  If you're reading this email, you're part of LUAU.

LUAU doesn't have a leader, there's no phone number, there's no monthly 
meetings.  There's no treasury.  LUAU, at the end of the day, is just a 
file with a list of email addresses on someone's computer.  Apparently, at 
the moment, it's lists.hosef.org.  Note; this doesn't mean HOSEF _owns_ 
this list.  The list used to be hosted on an ICS computer, that doesn't 
mean ICS owned the list.  If you want to learn some history about LUAU, do 
a search in the archives.

If the owner of lists.hosef.org one day says: "I'm tired of this free/open 
source software non-sense, I just want to surf the waves for the rest of 
my life."  That's fine.  This happened before, but LUAU survived.  It'll 
survive this one as well, if it happens.  I'll volunteer to host it myself 
if need be.

Having said all this; HOSEF members have every right to post on LUAU, as 
long as it is related to free and open source software.  I haven't seen 
anything yet that HOSEF members have posted that isn't related to free and 
open source software.  Thus, I have no reason to complain.

So, what is the problem?  Who's bickering?  What are they bickering about?
Misunderstandings happen.  We clarify ourselves and we move on.  What, we 
haven't seen heated debates on LUAU before?  When people are passionate 
about something, heated debates will occur.  This is free and open source 
software.  It's all about the passion.  No one is getting paid for 
this, so what else is there if not passion?

--jc
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Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)      jching at flex.com     wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org