[luau] IMPORTANT - Upcoming List Policy

[Joe Linux]

All very well put (for self explanatory reasons, and I'm choosing not to 
trim this response.)

R. Scott Belford wrote:

>On Thursday 05 September 2002 03:59 am, Warren Togami wrote:
>
>>[SNIP]
>>
>
>>I am offended that you now try to make yourself look to be the victim
>>and especially saying that the "one man show" (implying me) is to blame.
>>
>>For a while now I thought you had stopped with posts that that in my
>>opinion were annoying.  Then now you assume that I was talking about you
>>when I said "not mentioning any names".  No, in fact I wasn't talking
>>about you.  I was more concerned about the list as a whole.  You start
>>to raise accusations...
>>
>>Forget it, you aren't worth my time...
>>
>
>It is now time to cool it.  Period.  We live in America where we are entitled 
>to express ourselves.  I feel like the list maintains a very high tone of 
>discussion.  The few digressions into "flames" are shortlived and rather 
>innocent.  Without an official policy, Warren, you do make yourself appear to 
>be the cop when you are annoyed.  This behaviour does not serve you well.  
>For the record, this came up months ago.  I offered to write a list 
>guideline; you refused the offer because you wanted to do it alone.
>
>We need a list policy.  Just a basic one.  Trimming quotes 101 needs to be 
>included.  What is and is not a flame and how to avoid it.  Perhaps we need a 
>policy for educating someone when they make a mistake.  Example:
>
>I use debian on my ibook.  Debian rocks.  It is the best linux distribution.  
>It makes windows look like....
>
>this is a worthless post.
>
>I use debian on my ibook.  While it was a struggle at first, I love the 
>community support.  Ap-get is such an intuitive interface.  I wish that ...
>
>strong-willed, but at least there is a reason for why I feel this way.
>
>The joke posted the other day about Microsoft code was funny.  It was a joke 
>to me.  I did not consider it a flame.  I realize, though, that any time you 
>talk bad about someone/something else, wise folks wonder what you are hiding 
>about yourself.  Nonetheless, jokes are okay.  Hoala posted why bsd was 
>better than linux once; it was very funny.
>
>The response to the joke post defending Microsoft was impassioned, but 
>well-reasoned.  It went into the apci specs or whatever they are.  I learned 
>a little.  Newcomers to the list were exposed to some passionate thinking, 
>but there are no trolls in our group.
>
>I love opinions.  I think the list should encourage superlatives like such 
>and such is the best.  The list should require that reaons be included with 
>superlatives, though.  Doing this endears readers to your way of thinking.
>
>>At first I felt bad about asking you politely about these issues because
>>you were gracious in donating one of the 60GB hard drives currently in
>>Videl, but now I realize it is a complete waste of my time to respond to
>>you.  I should send you a check for $100 just so I don't feel that I owe
>>you anything.  Please e-mail me your mailing address so I can send you
>>the check.
>>
>
>This statement is riddled with flames.  It burns me to read it.  I personally 
>gave LUAU a $200 Western Digital drive that many of you pull data from when 
>accessing videl.  This does not entitle me to anything.  On the one hand, I 
>am bothered that Warren no longer mirrors debian like I asked (I was given a 
>choice with the donation as to what I wanted mirrored)  However, I donated 
>the drive and it is not my place to micromanage someone else's decision.  If 
>I didn't want someone deciding for me, I could have kept my donation.
>
>The point, you give something of yourself when you join.  You give up the 
>right to control everyone because you are part of a group.  You give up the 
>right to say whatever you want, no matter how offensive, because you are part 
>of a group.
>
>>I wont censor you, but I'm thinking about adding you to my personal spam
>>filter.
>>
>
>go for it, please.
>
>>Sorry,
>>Warren
>>
>>
>>To everyone else: Yes I am being irrational.  I cannot deal with
>>George.  This is a complete waste of my time.
>>
>
>Then please censor him in your own email account.  It is not fair for us to 
>be exposed to your personal grievances with Joe.  He, as a member of our 
>community, is free to be judged by the other members of the community absent 
>the bias of any one person.
>
>
>scott
>
>lastly-the solution to this growing pain is not to quit the group or splinter 
>our small island with even more mailing lists about linux.  quitting because 
>we don't like something is not how communities grow stronger.
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