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All very well put (for self explanatory reasons, and I'm choosing not to
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<pre wrap="">On Thursday 05 September 2002 03:59 am, Warren Togami wrote:<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">I am offended that you now try to make yourself look to be the victim<br>and especially saying that the "one man show" (implying me) is to blame.<br><br>For a while now I thought you had stopped with posts that that in my<br>opinion were annoying. Then now you assume that I was talking about you<br>when I said "not mentioning any names". No, in fact I wasn't talking<br>about you. I was more concerned about the list as a whole. You start<br>to raise accusations...<br><br>Forget it, you aren't worth my time...<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>It is now time to cool it. Period. We live in America where we are entitled <br>to express ourselves. I feel like the list maintains a very high tone of <br>discussion. The few digressions into "flames" are shortlived and rather <br>innocent. Without an official policy, Warren, you do make yourself appear to <br>be the cop when you are annoyed. This behaviour does not serve you well. <br>For the record, this came up months ago. I offered to write a list <br>guideline; you refused the offer because you wanted to do it alone.<br><br>We need a list policy. Just a basic one. Trimming quotes 101 needs to be <br>included. What is and is not a flame and how to avoid it. Perhaps we need a <br>policy for educating someone when they make a mistake. Example:<br><br>I use debian on my ibook. Debian rocks. It is the best linux distribution. <br>It makes windows look like....<br><br>this is a worthless post.<br><br>I use debian on my ibook. Wh
ile it was a struggle at first, I love the <br>community support. Ap-get is such an intuitive interface. I wish that ...<br><br>strong-willed, but at least there is a reason for why I feel this way.<br><br>The joke posted the other day about Microsoft code was funny. It was a joke <br>to me. I did not consider it a flame. I realize, though, that any time you <br>talk bad about someone/something else, wise folks wonder what you are hiding <br>about yourself. Nonetheless, jokes are okay. Hoala posted why bsd was <br>better than linux once; it was very funny.<br><br>The response to the joke post defending Microsoft was impassioned, but <br>well-reasoned. It went into the apci specs or whatever they are. I learned <br>a little. Newcomers to the list were exposed to some passionate thinking, <br>but there are no trolls in our group.<br><br>I love opinions. I think the list should encourage superlatives like such <br>and such is the best. The list should require that re
aons be included with <br>superlatives, though. Doing this endears readers to your way of thinking.<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">At first I felt bad about asking you politely about these issues because<br>you were gracious in donating one of the 60GB hard drives currently in<br>Videl, but now I realize it is a complete waste of my time to respond to<br>you. I should send you a check for $100 just so I don't feel that I owe<br>you anything. Please e-mail me your mailing address so I can send you<br>the check.<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>This statement is riddled with flames. It burns me to read it. I personally <br>gave LUAU a $200 Western Digital drive that many of you pull data from when <br>accessing videl. This does not entitle me to anything. On the one hand, I <br>am bothered that Warren no longer mirrors debian like I asked (I was given a <br>choice with the donation as to what I wanted mirrored) However, I donated <br>the drive and it is not my place to micromanage someone else's decision. If <br>I didn't want someone deciding for me, I could have kept my donation.<br><br>The point, you give something of yourself when you join. You give up the <br>right to control everyone because you are part of a group. You give up the <br>right to say whatever you want, no matter how offensive, because you are part <br>of a group.<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">I wont censor you, but I'm thinking about adding you to my personal spam<br>filter.<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>go for it, please.<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">Sorry,<br>Warren<br><br><br>To everyone else: Yes I am being irrational. I cannot deal with<br>George. This is a complete waste of my time.<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>Then please censor him in your own email account. It is not fair for us to <br>be exposed to your personal grievances with Joe. He, as a member of our <br>community, is free to be judged by the other members of the community absent <br>the bias of any one person.<br><br><br>scott<br><br>lastly-the solution to this growing pain is not to quit the group or splinter <br>our small island with even more mailing lists about linux. quitting because <br>we don't like something is not how communities grow stronger.<br>_______________________________________________<br>LUAU mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:LUAU@videl.ics.hawaii.edu">LUAU@videl.ics.hawaii.edu</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau">http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau</a><br><br></pre>
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