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[al plant]

MonMotha wrote:
> 
> Eric Hattemer wrote:
> > If nothing exists for this, something could easily be invented.  I don't
> > know if ftp, sftp, or scp are capable of deleting files, but it would be
> > easy enough to make a graphical ssh client that does all of its graphics
> > client side.
> >
> > -Eric Hattemer
> 
> You mean a frontend?  Use an FTP client then, FTP can delete files (see
> the DELE command).  However, file management is a very, VERY small
> portion of remote system administration.  It's MUCH easier to just ssh
> in and do it from a command line.  There have been attempts at making
> remote GUI administration tools (see webmin, and I think LinuxConf had
> seom remote features).  They work for simple tasks, but if your system
> has major problems (and believe me, there are problems yuo can get into
> where a webmin won't work, but you can still SSH in), the CLI can save
> your behind.
> 
> Notice also that all these thigns are sysadmin functions.  A sysadmin
> should know the command line anyway because by definition a sysadmin
> should be able to fix a system no matter what state it's in (assuming
> it's fixable at all).  This includes no network, broken XFree install,
> etc.  In those situations, you can bet you'll want a command line.
> 
> For the average user, a GUI is fine.  The average user isn't working on
> systems hundreds of thousands of miles away.  The average user won't
> want to fix their own XFree install; they have someone else to do it for
> them (a sysadmin).  The average user doesn't normally need to know how
> to use a command line.  If you don't want to learn the command line, you
> don't need to, but don't call yourself a sysadmin until you do (and
> learn a bunch of other things too)!
> 
> Also, just because you think a command line is "archane" doesn't mean we
> all do.  This whole movement is about choice.  If you don't like
> Windows, try Linux.  Don't like Linux? Try a BSD.  Don't like any of the
> BSDs?  Try QNX, or AtheOS, or YammitOS for all I care.  Don't like any
> of those?  Write your own OS like Linus did.  The command line is there
> because there is a desire for it.  I personally have 5 tabs up in my
> GNOME console right now, but there's no need for it.  I could be using
> Nautilus for file management, and my menus for launching and such, but I
> like doing things from a command line.  I find that a good shell is a
> very handy thing.
> 
> I used to think the command line as "archane" or "cryptic" too, but that
> was because I was basing my thoughts off DOS's command.com command
> interpreter.  I don't even think I can call that a shell.  BASH is very
> powerful, but I don't say it's as easy to use as a GUI.  Don't start a
> compaign to eliminate something just because you don't like it.  If you
> can get by without it, just ignore it.  If there's functionality missing
> in your favorite GUI application, feel free to write it.  If you're not
> a coder (and I understand this completely; I'm not either), submit a bug
> report or request the feature.  Most projects listen to their userbase
> as that's what makes them popular.  In the OSS community, there's
> competition, but unlike the commercial software world, this competition
> is based on functionality, not price.  If something doesn't have what
> you need, ask for it.  If the project doesn't pay any attention, pick a
> different app.  There's the whole KDE vs. GNOME thing.  Again, CHOICE!
> 
> </flame mode>
> 
> --MonMotha
> 
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Hey Mon,

I'm with you. "When all else fails use the command line."
In many cases it's faster that going to a GUI.  

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