LUAU Site and List

[Ben Beeson]

To all,

	
	I personally like the idea of a place where people can go to exchange 
information.  It is also very nice that there is a group of people here 
in Hawaii that are willing to share info as freely as the people on this 
list do.  Maybe it's the convenience of the bazaar that I find so 
appealing, maybe it's just the fact that there are folks here in Hawaii 
that see a future in Linux and Open Source in general that draws me to 
this list.  From this list I learn, and occasionally I am able to share 
something I have learned with others -- that gives this list intrinsic 
value to me in and of itself.   

	I joined this list several months after being stationed here by the Air 
Force, and have never understood the behind the scenes activity that 
ultimately caused the demise of LUAU as a group.  This is largely because 
I joined the list after that process was well in place -- just before the 
group came apart. In any case, I find the list itself, and the 
information shared within it very valuable. It would be disappointing to 
see this list "go away" for "inter-personal" reasons because this virtual 
gathering place is such a great place to go for help and to learn.  
Having said that, I will subscribe to this list, whatever it is called, 
until it reaches a point where it is no longer useful to me.  As long as 
the list is run well, and people contributing to it present their views 
relatively professionally, I'm here.  I understand that there will always 
be differences of opinions about things related to the software, hardware 
etc.  I appreciate reading these opinions because it expands my own 
viewpoint.  What I don't want to see on this list are the personal 
attacks that have sometimes found themselves on the list postings.  These 
private conversations should not be aired quite so publicly as doing so 
takes a toll on the group as a whole and is counterproductive.  Let us 
all use this list as it was intended, to share knowledge, so we can grow 
and take advantage of what each person brings to the group, regardless of 
where they come from.

Respectfully,

Ben           

   

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 9/23/01, 7:54:54 PM, "Warren Togami" <warren at togami.com> wrote regarding 
[luau] RE: LUAU Site and List:


> This is exactly how I originally felt about this.  I figured a while back
> that LUAU (the name) should just be dropped, and this mailing list should 
be
> renamed, though remaining a group neutral common discussion area.  Five
> people voiced up against this so I gave up.  I later became administrator 
of
> this list, and learned that there were nearly 200 subscribers.  Only five
> out of 200 subscribers voiced disapproval of this proposal.  Does this 
mean
> everyone else agrees, or they don't care?

> Perhaps we should have a vote?
> (Don't vote yet.  Discuss for now.  If you don't voice up I can only 
assume
> you don't care.)

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gsublett at lava.net>
> To: "Linux & Unix Advocates & Users" <luau at list.luau.hi.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:07 PM
> Subject: [luau] RE: LUAU Site and List


> > Warren,
> >
> > I have previously suggested and I suggest again,  Please leave LUAU,
> > the LUAU site, and the LUAU mailing list alone.  Let them die as they
> > apparently should.  Your own statements concerning the bad vibes in some
> > circles support this.
> >
> > I find it very puzzling that people were/are unwilling to pick up the
> > LUAU group and move forward accepting the baggage that comes with it, but
> > perfectly comfortable and happy to benefit from the pluses associated 
with
> > its active/well subscribed mailing list. I find it disingenuous at best.
> >
> > For whatever reason, two new groups were formed and those associated with
> > the formation apparently felt support of LUAU was not desirable, fine I
> > understand individual choice along with some other concepts such as
> > consistency and integrity. What I don't understand is that a group of
> > people would continue to use a mailing list that carries the very name of
> > the group they don't want to be associated with.
> >
> > Again, might I suggest establishing MPLUG and ALOHA mailing lists, or a
> > combined list, make several announcements on the LUAU list and then go
> > forward with each activity represented on its respective mailing list, or
> > at a minimum, have the LUAU list renamed after informing all current
> > subscribers so they can decide to remain subscribed or whatever.
> >
> > ----------
> > Gary
> >



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