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<PRE>To all,
I personally like the idea of a place where people can go to exchange
information. It is also very nice that there is a group of people here
in Hawaii that are willing to share info as freely as the people on
this list do. Maybe it's the convenience of the bazaar that I find so
appealing, maybe it's just the fact that there are folks here in Hawaii
that see a future in Linux and Open Source in general that draws me to
this list. From this list I learn, and occasionally I am able to share
something I have learned with others -- that gives this list intrinsic
value to me in and of itself.
I joined this list several months after being stationed here by the
Air Force, and have never understood the behind the scenes activity
that ultimately caused the demise of LUAU as a group. This is largely
because I joined the list after that process was well in place -- just
before the group came apart. In any case, I find the list itself, and
the information shared within it very valuable. It would be
disappointing to see this list "go away" for "inter-personal" reasons
because this virtual gathering place is such a great place to go for
help and to learn. Having said that, I will subscribe to this list,
whatever it is called, until it reaches a point where it is no longer
useful to me. As long as the list is run well, and people contributing
to it present their views relatively professionally, I'm here. I
understand that there will always be differences of opinions about
things related to the software, hardware etc. I appreciate reading
these opinions because it expands my own viewpoint. What I don't want
to see on this list are the personal attacks that have sometimes found
themselves on the list postings. These private conversations should
not be aired quite so publicly as doing so takes a toll on the group as
a whole and is counterproductive. Let us all use this list as it was
intended, to share knowledge, so we can grow and take advantage of what
each person brings to the group, regardless of where they come from.
Respectfully,
Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 9/23/01, 7:54:54 PM, "Warren Togami" <warren@togami.com> wrote
regarding [luau] RE: LUAU Site and List:
> This is exactly how I originally felt about this. I figured a while
back
> that LUAU (the name) should just be dropped, and this mailing list
should be
> renamed, though remaining a group neutral common discussion area.
Five
> people voiced up against this so I gave up. I later became
administrator of
> this list, and learned that there were nearly 200 subscribers. Only
five
> out of 200 subscribers voiced disapproval of this proposal. Does
this mean
> everyone else agrees, or they don't care?
> Perhaps we should have a vote?
> (Don't vote yet. Discuss for now. If you don't voice up I can only
assume
> you don't care.)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gsublett@lava.net>
> To: "Linux & Unix Advocates & Users" <luau@list.luau.hi.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:07 PM
> Subject: [luau] RE: LUAU Site and List
> > Warren,
> >
> > I have previously suggested and I suggest again, Please leave
LUAU,
> > the LUAU site, and the LUAU mailing list alone. Let them die as
they
> > apparently should. Your own statements concerning the bad vibes in
some
> > circles support this.
> >
> > I find it very puzzling that people were/are unwilling to pick up
the
> > LUAU group and move forward accepting the baggage that comes with
it, but
> > perfectly comfortable and happy to benefit from the pluses
associated with
> > its active/well subscribed mailing list. I find it disingenuous at
best.
> >
> > For whatever reason, two new groups were formed and those
associated with
> > the formation apparently felt support of LUAU was not desirable,
fine I
> > understand individual choice along with some other concepts such as
> > consistency and integrity. What I don't understand is that a group
of
> > people would continue to use a mailing list that carries the very
name of
> > the group they don't want to be associated with.
> >
> > Again, might I suggest establishing MPLUG and ALOHA mailing lists,
or a
> > combined list, make several announcements on the LUAU list and then
go
> > forward with each activity represented on its respective mailing
list, or
> > at a minimum, have the LUAU list renamed after informing all
current
> > subscribers so they can decide to remain subscribed or whatever.
> >
> > ----------
> > Gary
> >
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