LUAU, ALOHA, MPLUG, etc.

[Zachary Taylor]

Warren, 
	I am not going to respond to what you say, I am tired of reteric
also. LUAU is a group. Aloha is a group. ALOHA does not keep this list
going, it never has. LUAU was built to help people with Linux, you want
somthing else, fine, but don't start talking jabs at me to build up your
group.


On Fri, 18 May 2001, Warren Togami wrote:

> Zachary,
> 
> I can't remain quiet about this any longer.  I find your lack of tolerance
> disturbing.  It may have been your original plan was "only Linux" when you
> first created LUAU.  That's fine if you felt that way when you led the
> group, but the membership may have instituted any change after that point.
> It should be disallowed for these people to discuss BSD and general open
> source?  I see this to be a dangerously narrow minded view.
> 
> You say that LUAU is "alive and well".  LUAU (the group) died a long time
> ago due to bad circumstances that I shouldn't go into right now.   This list
> is active now only because the discussion mediums (weblog, web boards) of
> the new groups have not been embraced by the community.  List traffic was
> almost dead for a while (since the last LUAU leadership resigned) until
> early January when Donald and Dusty were discussing restarting the group.
> Soon later MPLUG and ALOHA sprang up, and LUAU mailing list traffic became
> more active than ever in the past.  You say LUAU is "alive and well".  The
> list is now alive, only because these other groups came together.
> 
> In the past months I've ignored your occasional baseless posts, but I am
> completely annoyed by your posts in the past day.  You extend this pointless
> argument on the only premise that "LUAU didn't trash a meeting site."  Deven
> had every right to post that announcement here, because it would reach the
> largest local OSS readership, and it was important for everyone to know.
> You extended that into an off-topic flame war.  I don't see anyone agreeing
> with you.
> 
> I will take some flames for this, but this must be said.  LUAU (the group)
> is dead, because meetings are no longer held.  I personally have nothing
> against the name LUAU, but many of the other local OSS advocates are
> disillusioned by the flak of the past, and want to distance themselves from
> even the simple name.  It is such a petty thing, the name, but they want
> nothing to do with it.  But if anyone restarts a group with the LUAU name, I
> will support them as well as any Open Source group in Hawaii.
> 
> ****
> Everyone,
> 
> How does everyone feel about using this list as a group neutral "Hawaii Open
> Source Community"?  We have been using this list as such for months.  Deven
> and I agree that both our groups should use as a common place for
> announcements and discussion, because of the existing body of subscribers.
> Are we not working towards a common cause, with similar goals?  The spirit
> of Linux and Open Source is the community, and we can't work together?
> 
> As for LUAU, I'm tired of hearing lip service rather than action.  If some
> are so emotionally attached to the LUAU name, I welcome someone to make a
> time and resource commitment and revive the group meetings and events.  I'll
> even help you.  Just please don't continue with TALKING rather than DOING
> something.
> 
> ****
> Deven,
> 
> Do you folks still need a meeting location?  I have approval for Linux
> seminars and meetings at Mid-Pacific Institute's Tech Center... as long as
> we don't trash the place. =)
> 
> Warren Togami
> warren at togami.com
> 
> 
> 
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