LUAU, ALOHA, MPLUG, etc.

[Warren Togami]

Zachary,

I can't remain quiet about this any longer.  I find your lack of tolerance
disturbing.  It may have been your original plan was "only Linux" when you
first created LUAU.  That's fine if you felt that way when you led the
group, but the membership may have instituted any change after that point.
It should be disallowed for these people to discuss BSD and general open
source?  I see this to be a dangerously narrow minded view.

You say that LUAU is "alive and well".  LUAU (the group) died a long time
ago due to bad circumstances that I shouldn't go into right now.   This list
is active now only because the discussion mediums (weblog, web boards) of
the new groups have not been embraced by the community.  List traffic was
almost dead for a while (since the last LUAU leadership resigned) until
early January when Donald and Dusty were discussing restarting the group.
Soon later MPLUG and ALOHA sprang up, and LUAU mailing list traffic became
more active than ever in the past.  You say LUAU is "alive and well".  The
list is now alive, only because these other groups came together.

In the past months I've ignored your occasional baseless posts, but I am
completely annoyed by your posts in the past day.  You extend this pointless
argument on the only premise that "LUAU didn't trash a meeting site."  Deven
had every right to post that announcement here, because it would reach the
largest local OSS readership, and it was important for everyone to know.
You extended that into an off-topic flame war.  I don't see anyone agreeing
with you.

I will take some flames for this, but this must be said.  LUAU (the group)
is dead, because meetings are no longer held.  I personally have nothing
against the name LUAU, but many of the other local OSS advocates are
disillusioned by the flak of the past, and want to distance themselves from
even the simple name.  It is such a petty thing, the name, but they want
nothing to do with it.  But if anyone restarts a group with the LUAU name, I
will support them as well as any Open Source group in Hawaii.

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Everyone,

How does everyone feel about using this list as a group neutral "Hawaii Open
Source Community"?  We have been using this list as such for months.  Deven
and I agree that both our groups should use as a common place for
announcements and discussion, because of the existing body of subscribers.
Are we not working towards a common cause, with similar goals?  The spirit
of Linux and Open Source is the community, and we can't work together?

As for LUAU, I'm tired of hearing lip service rather than action.  If some
are so emotionally attached to the LUAU name, I welcome someone to make a
time and resource commitment and revive the group meetings and events.  I'll
even help you.  Just please don't continue with TALKING rather than DOING
something.

****
Deven,

Do you folks still need a meeting location?  I have approval for Linux
seminars and meetings at Mid-Pacific Institute's Tech Center... as long as
we don't trash the place. =)

Warren Togami
warren at togami.com