[LUAU] LUAU Sub Group mailing lists (LONG)

[Eric Hagen]

Before this all explodes into a flame war, (hopefully not, its a great way
to run out new people).  I would like to say that I'm very glad Chris
stepped forward to "lead" LUAU, if I remember correctly he was not seeking
the job, he was the only one willing to take it on.  (Chris, you really
need to learn how to dodge these things ;-)  I think he has done a GREAT
job at moving us from a loose group of people who "kinda liked linux" and
usually sat around talking about the cool things about it.  To a group of
people who are using to do serious work, and want to share thier knowledge
with others.  I have been very impressed with the last two meetings, the
topics covered, and what I got out of it was fantastic.  And I feel most
of the credit goes to Chris for his non-authoritative manner of
leadership. 
He is always open to idea's, begs people at every meeting to take the lead
with projects, and I have never seen him shoot down an idea or project
unless something better was availible.

Chris, just want to let you know you will always have people who are not
happy, and you do have a lot of ideas that I know you are working on but
are not ready for prime time.  
Maybe we need to create another email list/sub group for "brain child
projects", and there we can hash out cool projects, with the understanding
that some or none of them will work out.  

I would like to thank Chris for the work and effort he has made, and for
moving LUAU forward.  To what I don't know and I'm sure Chris does not
know, but at least we are moving with at least a majority.  If anyone has
better ideas, I would love to hear them, and I'm sure everyone else would,
but there is no need to dismiss other people.

Eric Hagen                  "Sometimes we get lost in the darkness, 
ehagen at Hawaii.Edu	     the dreamers learn to steer by the stars..."
			    "You fight for something because it is good.
	 				Not because it stands to succeed."

On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jimen Ching wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, John W Christian wrote:
> >>Is this how the webpage has been updated all this time?  Isn't this 
> >>kind of inefficient?  This is probably the first thing that should be 
> >>changed.
> >Jimen, if you had attended any of the meetings [in the past 6 mos]
> >YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS and probably fixed it  .... ;-)
> 
> I'm one of those who can't attend a Tuesday night meeting.  I work till
> 6pm.  Then I go home to eat.  By the time I get to MIC, half the meeting
> is over.
> 
> >Jimen, that is what we are attempting to do GOT SUGGESTIONS?
> >GIVE THEM...
> 
> My vision of a user group has always been an entity that provides a
> service to the members.  Something like a community service.  Some people
> come to the group for help, others come to provide help.  The purpose of
> the entity is to provide an environment where this exchange can happen.
> 
> To give an example, I like that dynip service.  But I don't know if I'm
> willing to pay $100 a year for it.  If I knew how they did it, I could
> write the software and someone could provide the host.  Thus, LUAU would
> provide a service to its members.  Maybe we can charge a small fee to use
> it.  A lot less than $100.  I believe the original leader of LUAU had a
> similar idea.  Something about being an ISP.
> 
> >>I don't know how you could interpret what I said above to this.
> >Jimen the tone of your messages have led to this.... especially the 
> >statement regarding keeping it in your Brain   WAS A FLAME
> 
> Odd.  In another message, I said:
> 
> >>Here's another.  Put all that stuff in your head online.  I'm sure your
> >>head can hold lots of information.  But unless the members get access to
> >>them, they can't contribute.  Note, by 'in your head', I mean those
> >>things that are related to LUAU which you have on your computer or your
> >>desk.  I don't mean literally.
> 
> And you said:
> 
> >Nod, point taken.  THINGS must be explained in more detail ....  But then
> >you will have to read my verbose emails....   ;-)
> 
> I thought you agreed, but now you say it is a flame?
> 
> Sometimes, only a verbose email can clarify a point.  Some things are
> unavoidable.
> 
> >>You will need a single source for members
> >>to access group resources.  This mailing list, for example, is not 
> >>hosted by members of LUAU, is it?  
> >ACTUALLY, IT IS.... and it can be distributed [which is transparent to
> >the user...]
> 
> Are you sure you meant to say this?  The LUAU mailing list is ran on a
> distributed system?  Not only that, but on systems that individual members
> have at home?  All the members?
> 
> My point was that LUAU information should not be hosted on a distributed
> network of computers.  One of the complaints about the WWW is that you
> can't go to any one place to find what you want.  You have to search for
> it.  But you have to search for a search engine before you can search for
> what you want.  This is very inconvient for the users.  And for a user
> group, it is very inconvient for the members.  You don't want to give
> people the run-around.
> 
> >You can join the Organization Group if you like as well [by now I
> >believe you have made suggestions for all of the groups...  maybe you
> >should participate in them all?...]
> 
> Personally, I didn't see the point in openning so many groups right from
> the start.  I see the webpage as the biggest problem.  If that is fixed,
> it might solve some of the problems that these groups are supposed to
> solve.  So I've joined the webpage list.  I'll see how that goes before I
> join these other ones.
> 
> >That is why Chris is a coordinator for LUAU, not President.  If each
> >group decides they want a leader appointed, that is up to them to
> >decide.
> 
> Coordinator, leader, president, dictator, whatever...
> 
> You can call yourself 'The Omnipotent Being Of Splendor' for all I care.
> 
> >Again, I bring up that if you 2 want a vote for a Leader, we can bring
> >it to one .....
> 
> I was just giving some suggestions and criticism.  I thought someone was
> asking for them, and no one was speaking up, so I did.  Somehow, this is a
> mutiny?  Before we have a coup, let's try compromising first, shall we?
> 
> --jc
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> Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)      jching at flex.com     wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org
> 
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