[LUAU] LUAU Sub Group mailing lists (LONG)

[Chris Wong]

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Jimen Ching wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Chris Wong wrote:
> >The integration between the groups is weak and that might be a flaw in the 
> >design. They each overlap HEAVILY. Nevertheless, we'll work with this
> >model until a better one comes out. (you're free to suggest one)
> 
> Well, the problem is, I don't have a vision of the big picture.  I don't
> know what LUAU members want.  I certainly don't know what the capabilities
> of LUAU are.  So it is hard to comment on these groups, must less make
> suggestions to them.

I don't have any idea either. We're threading unknown waters here. I hoped
we are capable but sometimes one just doesn't know.

> If you want a basic suggestion, here's one.  Fix up the webpage quick,
> that thing hasn't changed since who knows when.  The 'next meeting' page
> still says the next meeting is on Aug. 1998.

As it stands, the webpage is the highest priority. I have to go and bug
somebody for some files again.

> Then write up a cgi for polling purposes.  This way, people can poll
> and comment without sending 'me toos' to the list.  If it is too much
> effort to maintain a good looking page, then just have a simple text
> only page.  I prefer something that is uptodate than eye-candy.  You
> can always have two web pages, one that is text only and one with all
> the visual delites.

That is the webpage's domain. I really don't want to be working on that.
I'm stretched DAMNED thin as it is, and I'm worried about the big picture 
as it stands.

> Here's another.  Put all that stuff in your head online.  I'm sure your
> head can hold lots of information.  But unless the members get access to
> them, they can't contribute.  Note, by 'in your head', I mean those things
> that are related to LUAU which you have on your computer or your desk.  I
> don't mean literally.

What are you implying by this? That I'm withholding information? I have
ideas yes, but they aren't finished ideas and I don't implement things
without having the ideas finished. Yes, I have a vision for LUAU, but as
time goes on, it constantly changes. Furthermore, it's MY vision, not YOUR
vision, not necessarily anybody else's.

One vision is clear enough... it is not just ONE person's vision.

> You have to provide a foundation where it is easy to make suggestions,
> before you can request suggestions.  How do you do this?  Again, I don't
> know enough about the capability of LUAU to make any suggestions.

You make mention of knowing the capabilities of LUAU. Perhaps I'm thinking
of the statement wrong. I'm interpreting now as you don't know if we're
technically competant enough?

> To get pass this obsticle, how about putting on the web page a list of
> all the resources available to LUAU?  Note, only permanent resources
> count.  I doubt anyone would work on a project that only gets usage
> for about a week or a month.

> Here's a list of stuff that should be useful:
> 
> 1.  Net access: how much bandwidth does LUAU have to the net?

That depends on what your definition of LUAU is. I personally prefer to
think of LUAU as a distributed system... the total bandwidth of all the
users of LUAU. If you're looking for a single entity, then I'm afraid you
can't find it (maybe you can, I'm not looking that hard)

> 2.  Computers: how much cpu power is available?

Again... if you're looking at the group, we'd have a nice sized Beowolf
cluster. But, classically enough, we have problems with comunication.

> 3.  Equipment: are there any special devices available to LUAU?

None that I know of.

> 4.  Knowledge: what is the knowledge level of contributing members?

Isn't that a rather hard question to quantify?

> 5.  Leadership: what is the direction of LUAU?
> 
> It is odd that leadership is listed as a resource, but it really is.
> Organizations and groups (from my experience) don't move through votes or
> agreements, they are herded by a leader.  If the members don't like the
> direction, they find a new leader (or convince the leader to change).  I
> know lots of people don't like to hear this, but it is true.

Yes... but the last time i tried to herd, I had a revolt. I'm trying to
act as a coordinator not as a leader. I try not to become to dictorial
(tho' it's necessary sometimes just to get things done. I've misgivings
about this model actually... in some senses it would be easier just to get
things done)

Right now, I'm trying to setup a system of controlled anarchy. Which is
the problem. 

> Here is an example of #4:  I am a full time software engineer.  I mainly
[snip]
> just enough to keep the system up.  If anyone find my domain of knowledge
> to be useful, just drop me an email.

Okay... it's a valid thing to do.

> Now, your turn.  That goes for the rest of you.

I don't really have anything to say... because my interests change from
day to day... one day I'm into Samba, the next, X-Windows. 

Somebody posts an interesting concept, and I follow it and then change
focuses... (foci?)

> P.S.  Don't forget to put this stuff on the web page.

We'll do that.

--
chris


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