[LUAU] list "moderation"

Michael Bishop michael at michaelsplace.net
Sat Mar 29 16:14:01 PDT 2008


Gary Sublett wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:11:29 -1000
> Michael Bishop <michael at michaelsplace.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Gary Sublett wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:05:12 -0700
>>> "Vince Hoang" <vince at litrium.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> You just don't get it. I am not turning on emergency moderation.
>>>> Instead, I will remove both of you from LUAU until you settle your
>>>> differences. I do not begrudge either of you. I think you both want
>>>> what is best for HOSEF, but your strong personalities prevent you
>>>> from finding common ground.
>>>>
>>>> You idea of containment does not work in the Internet age. I tried
>>>> keeping this venue open in your defense. By closing off both
>>>> hosef-managers and LUAU, the disagreement will spill elsewhere, and
>>>> likely where you will not be able to retract the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> If any subscribers disagree, let me know.
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> I disagree, the threat of removing a subscriber from the list based
>>> on what?  
>>>   
>>>       
>> Off-topic material. Jim said Scott wouldn't allow his posts through
>> to HOSEF-manager where their thread belongs. So Jim took it to LUAU.
>> The posts seem to cover more HOSEF board related business and
>> personal issues rather than *nix related things.
>>     
>>> To protect someone from themself, seems rather paternalistic.
>>>   
>>>       
>> I see it more like protecting LUAU and the LUG. The most recent posts 
>> concern me greatly.
>>     
>>> To protect the integrity of the list or subject matter, seems
>>> inconsistant with the range of subjects or lack thereof over recent
>>> years.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Which has led to people leaving the list or becoming disgusted with 
>> LUAU/HOSEF. I think stronger moderation is in order. Especially with
>> the recent threats of lawsuits and personal information leaks.
>>     
>>> --
>>> Gary
>>>       
>
>  
> Michael,
>
> Vince asked for input from list members and I provided mine.
>   
I appreciate and respect your input. It provided a view point I may not 
have fully considered.
> If this threatened removal from the list is based on being "Off Topic",
> it is IMHO an inconsistant action in light of what has been allowed on
> the LUAU list over the last few years. For example, all the HOSEF
> specific promotion, solicitation, etc.  If you or other list members
> view all things HOSEF of interest/on topic/representative/a the face of
> the LUAU community, then I find it mis-guided to frame the current
> strife/activity of HOSEF (internal or external) as "Off Topic".
>   
I agree that LUAU's moderation has been inconsistent. However, since 
there has been little to no previous moderation, we should never 
moderate? Should another moderated list be created that focuses on LUG 
issues?

The sole reason HOSEF-managers was created was to remove HOSEF internal 
discussions from the LUAU list. Due to the censorship of HOSEF-manages, 
I agree with the current spillover, but this discussion has been going 
on for weeks. I think it's time to resolve it and/or move it off-list. I 
recall that long flame-wars have been forced off-list in the past and 
people have been banned IIRC. Linux Dan, as an example, comes to mind.
> You advocate stronger moderation, I disagree. Had there not been the
> reported "moderation" (censorship) on the HOSEF managers list would we
> be discussing this?
>   
I advocate stronger moderation on *this* list because I feel it should 
focus on LUG/*nix related stuff.

I disagree with any moderation of HOSEF-managers as I feel it should be 
an extension of the HOSEF meetings. I also feel the HOSEF-managers 
archives should be private.
>  --
> Gary
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