[LUAU] Love of disagreements

[Julian Yap]

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 23:45 -1000, Jimen Ching wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > Eben Moglen has participated in a great many technical discussions.
> > Its part of his vocation (job) and avocation (the thing he loves).
> 
> Do we have the same definition of technical?  I'm talking about technical 
> software discussions.  I.e. design, implementation, etc.  If Eben Moglen 
> participates in these discussions, then this is the first time I've heard 
> of it.  Are there any references?  I would be very interested to hear his 
> thoughts on OOP.

Here's a reference:
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html

His official resume.  Note the line:
1979-84, IBM Corporation, San Jose, California, Programmer/Analyst,
Programming Language Research & Development.

> > Scott didn't say "LUAU = HOSEF; HOSEF = LUAU;", I did.
> 
> http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2006-December/017515.html
> <qoute>
> Jim is correct that HOSEF=LUAU, and you are correct that LUAU is not owned
> by HOSEF.
> </qoute>

That's really taking Scott's quote out of context.

"Correct.  HOSEF does not "own" LUAU.  HOSEF is the entity that has 
managed and sustained LUAU.  Jim is correct that HOSEF=LUAU, and you are 
correct that LUAU is not owned by HOSEF.  LUAU does not magically exist, 
though, and there is real work and sacrifice behind this thing so many 
take for granted."

Now Jim's statement was in reaction to Matt Darnell's in reference to
http://mirrors.hosef.org:
http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2006-December/017494.html

"I am sure HOSEF has a box it could donate to LUAU."

So bear in mind that Jim's comment was in a reply to Matt's comment
about the mirror server.

And like you said:

"LUAU doesn't have a leader, there's no phone number, there's no monthly 
meetings.  There's no treasury.  LUAU, at the end of the day, is just a 
file with a list of email addresses on someone's computer.  Apparently,
at the moment, it's lists.hosef.org."

While that does simplify the amount of effort put into the long term
existence of LUAU, it's essentially what LUAU is.  A mailing list of 170
currently active email addresses.

It's good we're clarifying some things so we'll know how to phrase
things in the future and further solidify where things stand.

In the end, like the point I was trying to make earlier, we're all in it
together.

~ Julian

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