[luau] MSWindows

[Jimen Ching]

On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Eric Hattemer wrote:
>I don't think this is true at all.  I have never needed help for ANYTHING in
>windows.

That is because you were brain washed.  There is more proof of this below.

>On the other hand, anything I attempt in linux usually takes several
>days, I ask for help, then it fails anyway.

Funny, I hear the same thing from people who have called Microsoft tech
support.

>The thing is, I'm not a stupid user or anything.  I have never had real
>problems installing programs in windows.  If ever I did, the product was not
>worthwhile anyway.

More evidence of brain washing?  Are you reading the words you are typing?

	"I have never had real problems installing programs in windows,
	[except when I do have problems...]"

>Only about 1:5 times when I try to compile something in linux does it
>come out correctly.

Let me get this straight, you are comparing the installation of windows
programs to the compilation of linux programs?  And for some reason, you
feel they should have the same difficulty level?  Or the same easiness
level...

>get things installed on.  Windows doesn't require that the user remember
>anything.  Do you really think most of the world moved away from the command
>line by pure chance?  No, it allows you to manipulate files and etc. without
>learning or remembering any commands.

More evidence of brain washing?  You're telling me that you didn't have to
remember anything to use or install Windows applications?  So you were
born with the knowledge of the 20 to 40 odd menu options in MS-Word?  Or
the 5 to 10 dialogs for installing the new Inbox Express?  I guess
Microsoft must have found the technology to beam this information directly
to your mother's brain, and she passed it to you via the umbilical cord.
The Ctrl-C to copy and the Ctrl-V to paste is learned through osmosis,
right?

>enough to use linux, because other people would get in the way," but if
>you're the type who says, "I wish other people used linux.  That would make
>society better," then you can't expect people to say, "Hey, if I could learn
>to use vi and type in commands, my life would be much better."

I am the type that says: "I wish the people, who wants to use Linux, to
learn the tools the right way, rather than expect it to function like
Windows.  Even if that means learning vi."

As for pushing the responsibility towards the user, that is exactly what
Microsoft does.  The only difference with Linux is that it is not
Microsoft.  And that just ticks you off because we are asking you to
relearn what took you years to learn already.  Why should you have to
relearn anything at all to use Linux?  Linux should just do it the
Microsoft way.  Because that is THE RIGHT WAY, THE ONLY WAY!

Take a look at KDE and GNOME as evidence.  Those developers believe as you
do.  Why re-invent the wheel, when Microsoft did it right the first time?
Microsoft has brained washed the entire planet to the point where people
defend it without knowing why.  It is sad, but it is also reality.

--jc

P.S.  Do not for a moment believe that Microsoft is unique.  Give Red Hat
a chance, and they will do the same.  I don't believe there is anyone who
is reading this email believes that AOL, Oracle, Sun, Viacom, or any other
conglomerate wouldn't want what Microsoft has.  Don't believe for a second
that these companies don't want to use the same tactics to achieve the
same goals.  We hate Microsoft because it affects us the most.  In the
70's and 80's, our older colleages before us hated IBM and AT&T for the
same exact reasons.  The young believe they invented the rebellion.  But
the only new thing is the technology.

-- 
Jimen Ching (WH6BRR)      jching at flex.com     wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org