[luau] Re: LUAU digest, Vol 1 #303 - 13 msgs
Robert Robbins
robertr at smartnano.net
Sat Jul 27 08:11:01 PDT 2002
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> 1. Re: MSWindows (Dan George)
> 2. Re: MSWindows (MonMotha)
> 3. Java2 beta download file (Dan George)
> 4. Re: Re: Configuring Router (Warren Togami)
> 5. Re: Re: Configuring Router (Warren Togami)
> 6. Re: Re: Configuring Router (Warren Togami)
> 7. Re: Java2 beta download file (Warren Togami)
> 8. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (Warren Togami)
> 9. sendmail (karibdis)
> 10. Re: MSWindows (Warren Togami)
> 11. Re: sendmail (Ray Strode)
> 12. Re: sendmail (karibdis)
> 13. Re: MSWindows (djnishim at hawaii.edu)
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> Message: 1
> From: Dan George <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] MSWindows
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:15:32 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> One thing is Windows is overpriced for what you get.
> Windows is not as configurable as Linux or opensource.
> Bill Gates is a Pirate. First stealing from Steve Jobs then telling everyone
> else not to steal from him.
> When Paladium comes out, you wont be asking that question again.
> You will just wonder why it took you so long to convert.
> Why do I get over 80% of my calls from people complaining about windows.
> And why are 100% of those BTOs we sell with Linux arent complaining at
> all. Try the fact that over 62% of those who converted to Linux are saving
> $$$ within the first couple months. They want to kick themselves.
> I called one customer (followup call) to see how his Linux box was working.
> He told me he was configuring his kernel and call him back in about 6mths
> because he wanted to do so much now in customizing his system. He said
> the changes are going to save him $$$ in fees and its fun!!
>
> On Saturday 26 January 2002 19:14, you wrote:
> > Sup guys,
> > I'm a heavy Windows user, and a Linux newbie.
> > Why are open-source gurus so adamant towards Microsoft? <my opinion
> > after surfing around numerous open-source communities.
> > Is it because they don't give their software away for free?
> > I know Linux dudes say it sucks but why? What makes it better?
> >
> > I'm not trying to cause a fight with you guys, I like my Red Hat, just
> > wanted to hear some opinions.
> > Thanks.
> > Randall Oshita
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:24:15 -0500
> From: MonMotha <monmotha at indy.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] MSWindows
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Randall Oshita wrote:
> > Sup guys,
> >
> > I?m a heavy Windows user, and a Linux newbie.
> >
> > Why are open-source gurus so adamant towards Microsoft? <my opinion
> > after surfing around numerous open-source communities.
> >
> > Is it because they don?t give their software away for free?
> >
> > I know Linux dudes say it sucks but why? What makes it better?
> >
> >
> >
> > I?m not trying to cause a fight with you guys, I like my Red Hat, just
> > wanted to hear some opinions.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Randall Oshita
> >
>
> Personally, I just try to use the cheapest thing that does the job well.
> I have a fair number of windows machines. There's some stuff I can do
> on windows that I just can't do on linux yet (though most of that is due
> to a lack of commercially supported applications, which there's not much
> the "community" can do about).
>
> Would I set my grandma up on Linux? Probably not. While grandma can
> probably use KDE/GNOME, she can't walk out to CompUSA and buy the latest
> and greatest version of <insert common windows software here> and run it.
>
> However, don't complain about the ease of use thing. That's utterly
> wrong. I've set up computers for people who have never touched one
> before. Let me say they have as hard a time learning Win9x as they do
> learning KDE. The main reason people say "it's harder" is because it's
> different than what they're used to. They have to relearn some stuff,
> and people don't like to do that.
>
> --MonMotha
>
> P.S. I think your date might be off by a few months.
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> From: Dan George <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:51:18 -1000
> Subject: [luau] Java2 beta download file
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> an rpm.bin is a binary file and should be moved to /bin after download?
> I downloaded a java2 release from Sun and tried to install it.
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Date: 26 Jul 2002 21:01:31 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 08:56, MonMotha wrote:
> >
> > Well, if you weren't uploading at the time, there was no cause for the
> > extreme packet loss on your end. I have seen upwards of 40% on my line,
> > but it was usually them doing "maintainance" (and it was scheduled for a
> > week in advance, so I believe them). However, if you see heavy packet
> > loss while you're uploading, there's a reason. The reason of course is
> > that when the line is maxed and you still want to send more, the device
> > just has to drop the packet once the queue gets full.
> >
> > This is why you commonly see terrible download speeds when uploading on
> > cabel modems. The TCP acks are being dropped, and the other end throttles.
> >
> > This is why people move the queue from the cable modem (which is usually
> > just a simple FIFO) to one one a linux box. The linux box can run a
> > different queue discipline that can prioritize packets much more
> > effectively. For example, give all TCP ACKs top end of the queue
> > priority to keep the downloads going at an acceptable level.
> >
> > More info availabel upon request, again ask warren to have me make a
> > wiki (I don't want to put up a wiki that RR wouldn't like, that's what
> > FreeNet is for :)
> >
> > --MonMotha
>
> "move the queue from the cable modem to a linux box"
>
> I hope this doesn't require modification of the cable modem, because if
> so I would not support the publishing of this information. Otherwise if
> this is only Linux QoS, by all means that is good information and not RR
> specific.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Date: 26 Jul 2002 21:06:19 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 15:00, Michael Ableyev wrote:
> >
> > Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem
> > in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an
> > area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an
> > open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced somewhat. There isn't really anything I can do about it (according
> > to them).
>
> I originally had severe packet loss and reliability problems with
> RoadRunner. It took a while for RR to admit (after my 5th modem
> replacement) that the signal in my area was poor. A few weeks later
> they finally replaced all the wiring my area and things have been much
> better since.
>
> However, despite this I do not consider RR to be reliable enough for a
> commercial web/e-mail server at $200 a month. I rather do a co-located
> server with similar rates and much better reliability and bandwidth.
> This is exactly what I intend on doing soon.
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Date: 26 Jul 2002 21:14:38 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 15:29, MonMotha wrote:
> > What kind of cable modem you got (don't need any serial numbers or
> > anything, just a manufacturer and model number if possible, possibly a
> > physical description of the casing)?
> >
> > --MonMotha
> >
>
> Hawaii RoadRunner has a mix of three modems that I've seen...
> 1. Original big and white Motorola "Wave" modems with slight overheating
> problems. 10mbit Ethernet interface only.
> 2. Half-size black Motorola "Wave" modems that still have overheating
> problems. 10mbit ethernet interface only.
> 3. DOCSIS (sp?) protocol, can't remember brand name, little and black
> modem that doesn't overheat. USB and 10mbit ethernet interfaces, you
> can choose.
>
> Over the years I've had the modem changed 8 times, once because the
> modem burned itself out with smoke coming out the top, the other
> majority was when the signal in my area was very poor and they kept
> changing it in an effort to avoid fixing the area wiring (they
> eventually fixed the area wiring). I have only personally had the white
> and black "Wave" modems and not the smaller one at home.
>
> The techs once said that they like the earlier modems because they can
> take it anywhere on the island, plug it in at someone's house (if their
> wiring is good) and use their Internet with no problem. This cannot be
> done with the newer modem, they said. I once asked an Oceanic cable
> executive if this was against the ToS, and he said no, but it probably
> wouldn't work because many houses without RR have high enough quality
> internal wiring to have enough signal. I tried the modem in other
> people's houses twice 2 years ago, but haven't since and I have no plans
> to do it again. Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the
> policy to forbid this since then. I personally wouldn't mind.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Subject: Re: [luau] Java2 beta download file
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Date: 26 Jul 2002 21:31:58 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 20:51, Dan George wrote:
> > an rpm.bin is a binary file and should be moved to /bin after download?
> > I downloaded a java2 release from Sun and tried to install it.
>
> Run it with sh.
>
> sh filename.rpm.bin
>
> It will display a license, scroll through and say yes, then it will spit
> out the RPM.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Date: 26 Jul 2002 21:34:56 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 16:50, Jimen Ching wrote:
> >
> > On the LinuxForSchools wiki, I added a section on other groups that are
> > also donating computers to kids and schools. Ken GoldStein started
> > ComputerForKids program, and it is a non-profit organization. He mainly
> > deals with Windows PCs though. The wiki has a link to a newsletter that
> > he distributes. Would it make sense to place the LinuxForSchools program
> > under Ken's program?
> >
> > --jc
> > --
> > Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) jching at flex.com wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org
>
> I am willing to meet with him in order to compare notes, though I
> suspect I will not want this to be under his program. I think we will
> have interesting items to share to improve each others programs and
> perhaps have some level of cooperation.
>
> Could you please arrange a meeting sometime late next week? What area
> does he live in?
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:14:37 -1000
> From: karibdis <karibdis at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: [luau] sendmail
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I got the sendmail daemon working ( just had to bind to the right
> ip. duh). I am having one problem though. mail sent to
> myaccount at 66.8.198.141 (my box ip) gets delivered to me just fine. But,
> mail sent to myaccount at MyHostMask.hawaii.rr.com gets a failure to
> deliver message... ( relay denied ).
>
> Not really a big deal, except, I was trying to subscribe to a
> couple of mailing lists, and they don't seem to be able to handle
> myaccount at 66.8.198.141. Anybody have any ideas?
>
> Note: I don't own a domain of my own or anything, .com, .net etc, is
> there still something I could do?
>
> thanks
>
> --karibdis
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Subject: Re: [luau] MSWindows
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Date: 26 Jul 2002 22:32:06 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 19:14, Randall Oshita wrote:
> > Sup guys,
> > I'm a heavy Windows user, and a Linux newbie.
> > Why are open-source gurus so adamant towards Microsoft? <my opinion
> > after surfing around numerous open-source communities.
> > Is it because they don't give their software away for free?
> > I know Linux dudes say it sucks but why? What makes it better?
> >
> > I'm not trying to cause a fight with you guys, I like my Red Hat, just
> > wanted to hear some opinions.
> > Thanks.
> > Randall Oshita
>
> I have a different take on the situation than most Linux folks. I
> acknowledge that Microsoft has some very well designed technologies...
> like Visual Studio, MS SQL Server management tools (not the server
> itself), Windows XP remote desktop (and sound) protocol that beats VNC
> by a wide margin, and especially MMC abstracted plugin-based management
> tool interface and some others. Notice how nearly everything I
> mentioned is a management or development tool. These pieces of their
> warchest have much greater levels of integration, and GUI learning curve
> than anything Open Source currently has.
>
> (Yes, our system management and design tools need SERIOUS work. Look at
> Red Hat 7.3's configuration tools as an example of poor consideration
> toward potential new sysadmins. Look at the extreme flexibility and
> control of MSSQL Enterprise Manager, then look at the best Open Source
> tool. I would love for someone to prove me wrong, though.)
>
> The part about Microsoft that I detest is their abusive business
> practices that leaves the industry with little choice by destroying
> competition. I want competition in the marketplace. I hate Microsoft
> for this to such a degree, that I would NEVER take a job that uses
> primarily Microsoft, develops on Microsoft, or promotes the use of
> Microsoft technology no matter how much I am offered. This may not seem
> like much to this list, but this is a radical concept in the Computer
> Science department and I was laughed at by an entire room of fellow
> students when I said it.
>
> I simply will NOT support unethical practices, no matter what the cost.
>
> What would it take for me to stop hating Microsoft? If they stopped
> being mean. That's all.
>
>
> In addition to my future plans for RHCE, I've recently decided that I
> must study all aspects of other technologies including Microsoft and
> Cisco. I plan on getting CCNA soon, and studying MCSE after their .NET
> server is released. I am already very familiar with Windows 2000 Active
> Directory because I've owned a license of Windows 2000 Advanced Server
> and Pro edition since it was released. (Active Directory is my only
> real certification at this point.)
>
> Why the heck would I do this?
> 1. It wouldn't take me much additional work.
> 2. I can make a more convincing argument of why Open Source is better at
> a certain task if I fully understand Microsoft's tech. Know thy enemy.
> 3. Knowing multiple systems, especially with experimentation with
> Linux/Windows interoperability (like Samba) tends to create a much
> greater level of understanding of Windows than most MCSE's will ever
> know.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:02:37 -1000
> From: Ray Strode <halfline at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] sendmail
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> > I got the sendmail daemon working ( just had to bind to the right
> > ip. duh). I am having one problem though. mail sent to
> > myaccount at 66.8.198.141 (my box ip) gets delivered to me just fine.
> > But, mail sent to myaccount at MyHostMask.hawaii.rr.com gets a failure
> > to deliver message... ( relay denied ).
>
> On my box there is a file called /etc/mail/local-host-names
>
> inside it, it contains all hostnames that belong to me.
>
> > Not really a big deal, except, I was trying to subscribe to a
> > couple of mailing lists, and they don't seem to be able to handle
> > myaccount at 66.8.198.141. Anybody have any ideas?
>
> a lot of places won't accept addresses that don't have hostnames,
> because usually they are spam servers.
>
> > Note: I don't own a domain of my own or anything, .com, .net etc, is
> > there still something I could do?
>
> Well you could buy a domain, or you could use one of the free dns things
> out there (myip.org, dyndns, d2g, etc...)
>
> --Ray
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:06:59 -1000
> From: karibdis <karibdis at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] sendmail
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Ray,
>
> Thank you very much. The problem is solved, and very shortly, I
> will be posting to the list from my new address!!!
>
> thanks
>
> --karibdis
>
> Ray Strode wrote:
> >> I got the sendmail daemon working ( just had to bind to the right
> >> ip. duh). I am having one problem though. mail sent to
> >> myaccount at 66.8.198.141 (my box ip) gets delivered to me just fine.
> >> But, mail sent to myaccount at MyHostMask.hawaii.rr.com gets a failure
> >> to deliver message... ( relay denied ).
> >
> >
> > On my box there is a file called /etc/mail/local-host-names
> >
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:51:21 -1000
> From: djnishim at hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] MSWindows
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Microsoft may not have the most efficient or robust products on the
> market today, but what they do excel at is marketing their products and
> technologies to the public and big businesses, which open-source based
> companies are still lacking. A company can produce the most secure and
> stable OS, but if they do not have the marketing edge, the company will
> surely flop. Microsoft does play dirty, but corporate business is a
> dirty game. Don't get me wrong...I am a sys admin for linux servers
> and a few windows servers(only for asp purposes), and I want to
> completely convert to having only linux. I love the stablity and
> administrative freedom that linux and other *nix systems have to offer.
>
> To compete with Microsoft will take more than designing technologies
> and producing products that are better. Someone has to step up to
> their dominance in the marketing game. As software developers and
> programmers and advocates of open-source, we need to think about why we
> do what we do. What is the purpose of creating this certain program?
> How is it feasible to the general public or the user we are developing
> for? What type of impact will it have? Has it already been done? If
> the product we develop is similar to another proprietary product, (such
> as one from Microsoft) what can we do to have a greater appeal than the
> product we are competing against. I remember trying to set up a linux
> box for the first time, and I didn't know what to do or what anything
> meant, so I flew the floppies into my closet and reloaded windows.
> However, my first time setting up a Windows server was a cinch and got
> it up and running to do what I wanted to do in less than 2 hours.
>
> One last comment....don't you think it's ironic that the GUI front-end
> for Linux such as KDE and GNOME (on default settings anyways) have such
> a strong resemblence to the Windows desktop? We can't hate Microsoft
> for everything?
>
> By the way (sorry this IS the last comment), Redhat's administrative
> tools are a bit confusing, but I believe that new sys admins should
> learn to do everything from commandline. Someday your system will mess
> up, and you will have to boot into single user mode without any graphic
> interface to work with.
>
> -dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> Date: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [luau] MSWindows
>
> > On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 19:14, Randall Oshita wrote:
> > > Sup guys,
> > > I'm a heavy Windows user, and a Linux newbie.
> > > Why are open-source gurus so adamant towards Microsoft? <my opinion
> > > after surfing around numerous open-source communities.
> > > Is it because they don't give their software away for free?
> > > I know Linux dudes say it sucks but why? What makes it better?
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to cause a fight with you guys, I like my Red
> > Hat, just
> > > wanted to hear some opinions.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Randall Oshita
> >
> > I have a different take on the situation than most Linux folks. I
> > acknowledge that Microsoft has some very well designed technologies...
> > like Visual Studio, MS SQL Server management tools (not the server
> > itself), Windows XP remote desktop (and sound) protocol that beats VNC
> > by a wide margin, and especially MMC abstracted plugin-based
> > managementtool interface and some others. Notice how nearly
> > everything I
> > mentioned is a management or development tool. These pieces of their
> > warchest have much greater levels of integration, and GUI learning
> > curvethan anything Open Source currently has.
> >
> > (Yes, our system management and design tools need SERIOUS work.
> > Look at
> > Red Hat 7.3's configuration tools as an example of poor consideration
> > toward potential new sysadmins. Look at the extreme flexibility and
> > control of MSSQL Enterprise Manager, then look at the best Open Source
> > tool. I would love for someone to prove me wrong, though.)
> >
> > The part about Microsoft that I detest is their abusive business
> > practices that leaves the industry with little choice by destroying
> > competition. I want competition in the marketplace. I hate Microsoft
> > for this to such a degree, that I would NEVER take a job that uses
> > primarily Microsoft, develops on Microsoft, or promotes the use of
> > Microsoft technology no matter how much I am offered. This may
> > not seem
> > like much to this list, but this is a radical concept in the Computer
> > Science department and I was laughed at by an entire room of fellow
> > students when I said it.
> >
> > I simply will NOT support unethical practices, no matter what the
> > cost.
> > What would it take for me to stop hating Microsoft? If they stopped
> > being mean. That's all.
> >
> >
> > In addition to my future plans for RHCE, I've recently decided
> > that I
> > must study all aspects of other technologies including Microsoft and
> > Cisco. I plan on getting CCNA soon, and studying MCSE after their
> > .NETserver is released. I am already very familiar with Windows
> > 2000 Active
> > Directory because I've owned a license of Windows 2000 Advanced Server
> > and Pro edition since it was released. (Active Directory is my only
> > real certification at this point.)
> >
> > Why the heck would I do this?
> > 1. It wouldn't take me much additional work.
> > 2. I can make a more convincing argument of why Open Source is
> > better at
> > a certain task if I fully understand Microsoft's tech. Know thy
> > enemy.3. Knowing multiple systems, especially with experimentation
> > withLinux/Windows interoperability (like Samba) tends to create a much
> > greater level of understanding of Windows than most MCSE's will ever
> > know.
> >
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Randell,
I have to agree with most of what has been said about the Microsoft versus
Linux arguments here. I have been using UNIX since long before Bill Gates
dropped out of Standford and took his ideas from Steve Jobs. I really do
not like either of these people and their ethics. But that's my personal
opinion.
I truly believe that Windows has it's place in the computer world. It is
unfortunate that MSC crushes the competition. That's no way to make your
own product better.
I have and am using all flavors of Linux. Redhat (since early 90's),
Mandrake (which is Redhat underneath), Corel Linux (Debian
underneath, which was a great desktop version, but once again MSC did
their squash thing), SuSE, Caldera, Debian and a few more. There is also a
new one that may be a good desktop version (I have not yet used it) called
Lycoris. It can be found and ordered at http://www.lycoris.com
One of the top questions is, "Will Linux ever be on every desktop in the
corporate world?" Well, probably not. Linux (UNIX) is not really user
friendly. It is, however, SysAdmin friendly. It's not a "click and go"
kind of an operating system. For those of us who are geeks, we shall
always love Linux (UNIX). and would never want it to be a "click and go"
OS.
There are more and more companies getting on the Linux and OpenSource band
wagon. Yeah!!! for our side. There is OpenOffice, StarOffice (from SUN
now) and some of the "game" companies. I run my server on a dual PIII 1GHz
with 1Gb of RAM running on 4 Ultra160 Cheetah 10k RPM drives. It runs rings
around anything that Windows can do. She screams!
I will always be a lovers of OpenSource but also know that to be in the
"Corporate World" I also have to use and know Windows as well. So I in
the Windows realm as well. I own many licenses of Windows OS and run
them all. As stated in on of the comments, "know they enemy". I prefer to
just say "know everything you can learn about it all, that is how you make
a well informed decision and know which is better for which task.
- Bob
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