[luau] RE: LUAU digest, Vol 1 #300 - 14 msgs
Dan George
linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com
Fri Jul 26 19:57:01 PDT 2002
I just think times are hard here and everyone is trying to survive like me.
I think Al and Steven should be allowed to share what they have to offer.
Feuding between us just helps those big guys more happy. Whenever I went
hunting with my father he always said, "be careful where your pointing the
gun!" Or remember what your hunting for.
On Friday 26 July 2002 17:50, you wrote:
> Aloha Al,
> I've never met you either, feel free to call anytime.
> Not looking to start a war, sorry if I was stepping on your "territory".
> You offered a solution to a problem so I did too. Of course everyone knows
> about the RoadRunner & Verizon DSL monopolies since they have millions of
> dollars to spend on marketing. But most people do not know about the unique
> services and willingness to accomodate special requests available from
> smaller ISPs such as yours and mine.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone else by announcing the availablity of our
> service as a possible solution to the problem being discussed.
>
> Mahalo,
> Steven Tomlinson
>
>
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> 1. Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Steven
> Tomlinson)
> 2. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (al
> plant)
> 3. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (MonMotha)
> 4. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (R. Scott Belford)
> 5. Re: Re: Configuring Router (Michael Ableyev)
> 6. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Cliff
> Brown)
> 7. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router)
> (Dustin Cross)
> 8. Re: Re: Configuring Router (MonMotha)
> 9. Re: OpenOffice 1.0.1 (Dean Fujioka)
> 10. Re: Donating Monitors (Dean Fujioka)
> 11. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (Dean Fujioka)
> 12. Re: Donating Monitors (Dan George)
> 13. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (Jimen Ching)
> 14. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (Dan George)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "Steven Tomlinson" <steve at mail.falconio.com>
> To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:26:49 -1000
> Subject: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router)
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Aloha Fellow Linux Users,
> If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location
> situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office
> is located near Ala Moana.
>
> Steve Tomlinson
> Falcon I`o Internet Services
> www.falconio.com
> 330-1647
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:45:33 -1000
> From: al plant <webmaster at hawaiidakine.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring
> Router)
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Steven Tomlinson wrote:
> > Aloha Fellow Linux Users,
> > If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location
> > situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office
>
> is
>
> > located near Ala Moana.
> >
> > Steve Tomlinson
> > Falcon I`o Internet Services
> > www.falconio.com
> > 330-1647
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LUAU mailing list
> > LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
> ###################################
>
>
>
> I don't know who you are, but If you want to start an ISP war on this
> site you are leaning that way. This list has run for years without it.
>
> There are a lot of ISP's on this list including RoadRunner and
> ourselves. I think the folks on this list are capable of researching
> their own solutions.
>
>
>
> Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com
> Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii.
> Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2
> Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:58:48 -0500
> From: MonMotha <monmotha at indy.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Warren Togami wrote:
> > Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on
> > stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday.
>
> While
>
> > he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his
> > high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win
>
> the
>
> > court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the
>
> DMCA
>
> > in the Supreme Court.
>
> Or maybe not...
>
> A story on /. says that Bruce has decided not to, apparently under
> pressure from his employer, HP.
>
> "...Bruce Perens has backed out of his plan to demonstrate how to modify
> a DVD player to break region coding (and openly violate the DMCA as
> well) due to pressure from his employer, Hewlett Packard. I wish HP had
> given him their blessing on this, but I guess they have to worry about
> shareholders first..."
>
> http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gill
>m or/ejournal/3735855.htm
>
> --MonMotha
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "R. Scott Belford" <sctinc at flex.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:42:01 -0500
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Superior information, Wayne. If no one else in the group wants to, my
> offer stands to spearhead this. I may want to bounce some things off of
> you, Wayne, and the rest of you as far as names, etc. go, if that is okay.
> I am not intimidated by the state and federal hoops and I trust myself to
> be impeccable in the filings. It should not be any trouble for me to start
> this
> and leave it behind when we are relocated in the future. Any info the
> other LUG, mentioned in an earlier thread, has would be good.
>
> see ya'll later
>
> scott
>
> On Friday 26 July 2002 13:16, you wrote:
> > In order for your efforts to continue, it is almost inevitable
> > that you need to incorporate MPLUG as a non-profit org.
> >
> > However, as I mentioned previously, b/f incorporating, you must
> > make sure that you have an infrastructure to make sure that all the
> > corporate formalities and reporting requirements are met.
> >
> > To incorporate a non-corporation in Hawaii, you must first file an
> > Article of incorporation and Bylaws with DCCA (in most other states,
> > you file these documents with the secretary of state), with languages
> > that conform to IRS Section 501(c)(3) requirements. Both are no big
> > deal, and
> > typically it will take a minimum of 5 days for DCCA to file-stamp the
> > documents.
> > (In many other states, you can get same-day registration.)
> >
> > Then you have to file for federal and state tax ID numbers. I suppose
> > MPLUG will not have employees nor be paying excise tax, then, there is no
> > need for a state tax ID.
> >
> > The most important step in becoming a non-profit org is to file IRS Form
> > 1023,
> > "application for recognition of exemption under Section 501(c)(3) of
> > IRC". This typically takes 4~6 months. But I have heard applications
> > that were approved
> > in a little over two months. The tax-exempt status typically begins
> > when Form 1023
> > is filed, or when the org is formed if it is within 15 months of filing.
> > But some cautious donors may want your tax-exempt number. This sometimes
> > can become a problem.
> >
> > In Hawaii, once you become a tax-exempt org under the federal
> > statute, there is generally no additional requirement at the state level.
> >
> > After your non-profit org is established, there are, of course, the
> > needs to annually file
> > FORM 990 tax return, as well as keep all the corporate books and minutes
> > of meetings.
> >
> > Incorporation is the way to go, but it takes certain discipline.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LUAU mailing list
> > LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Michael Ableyev" <charon at netzero.net>
> To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:00:50 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> > Well, if you weren't uploading at the time, there was no cause for the
> > extreme packet loss on your end. I have seen upwards of 40% on my line,
> > but it was usually them doing "maintainance" (and it was scheduled for a
> > week in advance, so I believe them). However, if you see heavy packet
> > loss while you're uploading, there's a reason. The reason of course is
> > that when the line is maxed and you still want to send more, the device
> > just has to drop the packet once the queue gets full.
> >
> > This is why you commonly see terrible download speeds when uploading on
> > cabel modems. The TCP acks are being dropped, and the other end
>
> throttles.
>
> > This is why people move the queue from the cable modem (which is usually
> > just a simple FIFO) to one one a linux box. The linux box can run a
> > different queue discipline that can prioritize packets much more
> > effectively. For example, give all TCP ACKs top end of the queue
> > priority to keep the downloads going at an acceptable level.
> >
> > More info availabel upon request, again ask warren to have me make a
> > wiki (I don't want to put up a wiki that RR wouldn't like, that's what
> > FreeNet is for :)
> >
> > --MonMotha
>
> Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I
> practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem
> in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is
> experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an
> area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their
> backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an
> open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced somewhat.
> There isn't really anything I can do about it (according
> to them).
>
> As for that Wiki, I think it would be a most interesting reading! Warren:
> How about it?
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:09:44 -1000
> From: Cliff Brown <brownc001 at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring
> Router)
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> al plant wrote:
> >Steven Tomlinson wrote:
> >>Aloha Fellow Linux Users,
> >>If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location
> >>situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office
>
> is
>
> >>located near Ala Moana.
> >>
> >>Steve Tomlinson
> >>Falcon I`o Internet Services
> >>www.falconio.com
> >>330-1647
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>LUAU mailing list
> >>LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> >>http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
> >
> >###################################
> >
> >
> >
> >I don't know who you are, but If you want to start an ISP war on this
> >site you are leaning that way. This list has run for years without it.
> >
> >There are a lot of ISP's on this list including RoadRunner and
> >ourselves. I think the folks on this list are capable of researching
> >their own solutions.
> >
> >
> >
> >Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com
> >Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii.
> >Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2
> >Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
> >_______________________________________________
> >LUAU mailing list
> >LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
> I think you are out of line, Al... He's not saying anything that you
> haven't said in the past, and he was mentioned in other folks' posts.
> Cliff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:24:57 -1000 (HST)
> Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring
> Router)
> From: "Dustin Cross" <dusty at sandust.com>
> To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> I agree, that was way out of line!
>
> Dusty
>
> > I think you are out of line, Al... He's not saying anything that you
> > haven't said in the past, and he was mentioned in other folks' posts.
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LUAU mailing list
> > LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:29:42 -0500
> From: MonMotha <monmotha at indy.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> > Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I
>
> practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem
>
> > in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is
>
> experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an
>
> > area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their
>
> backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an
>
> > open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced
>
> somewhat. There isn't really anything I can do about it (according
>
> > to them).
> >
> > As for that Wiki, I think it would be a most interesting reading! Warren:
>
> How about it?
>
>
> What kind of cable modem you got (don't need any serial numbers or
> anything, just a manufacturer and model number if possible, possibly a
> physical description of the casing)?
>
> --MonMotha
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:42:07 -1000
> From: Dean Fujioka <surfdean at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] OpenOffice 1.0.1
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> Ben,
> that's the setting that I unchecked, but it left my quotes as ???s. It
> did fix itself when I changed to charter font though...
>
> dean
>
> Ben Beeson wrote:
> >Dean,
> >
> > In Open office, go to "Tools" then "Autocorrect/AutoFormat" select the
> >"options" tab and uncheck the entry for "Replace standard quotes with
> >?custom? quotes?...."
> >
> >Ben
> >
> >On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:39 pm, you wrote:
> >>I was wondering if anyone else experienced this same issue...
> >>When I'm using the word processor, if i type a quote " it will replace
> >>it with a ? on the screen, but when I print it, it comes out OK. It
> >>also happens if I do a double hyphen--for emphasis--and I don't know the
> >>reason why. I tried a setting for single and double quotes (I actually
> >>turned it off) but it did the same thing. My doc looks fine in
> >>OpenOffice 1.0.0 on my sin98 machine, but when I brought it over to the
> >>linux side w OO 1.0.1, this question mark thing happened. any ideas?
> >>
> >>dean
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >LUAU mailing list
> >LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:49:42 -1000
> From: Dean Fujioka <surfdean at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> I think that's Royal Data...
>
> R. Scott Belford wrote:
> >On Friday 26 July 2002 00:46, you wrote:
> >>Aloha,
> >>
> >>Sandi and I still have several (approx 25) 15-17" pc monitors that work
>
> and
>
> >>a few that don't if the repair guy can use them for parts. We are ready
>
> to
>
> >>donate them. Sandi wants them donated to a non-profit org so we can
> >> write it off on the taxes. I don't think LUAU or MPLUG counts. Do we
> >> have any plan to deal with this?
> >
> >I am in Georgia now. When I get back, or earlier, I intend to file
>
> articles
>
> >of incorporation for a non-profit. This should help.
> >
> >>>Scott gave several of our broken monitors to this guy that repairs
> >>>monitors in his garage. Does anyone have the address and contact
> >>>information for this guy?
> >>>
> >>>We have about 15 more broken monitors.
> >>>Warren
> >
> >This guy is located on a road that intersects the Pali just past that
>
> really
>
> >big cemetary down the road from the UH. Dean knows the place. I don't
>
> know
>
> >the name right now.
> >
> >scott
> >_______________________________________________
> >LUAU mailing list
> >LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:10:53 -1000
> From: Dean Fujioka <surfdean at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> I guess maybe he's not going to do it
>
> http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gill
>m or/ejournal/
>
> conference updates here:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/oscon2002/
>
>
> dean
>
> Warren Togami wrote:
> >Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on
> >stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday.
> > While he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because
> > of his high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he
> > would win
>
> the
>
> >court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the
> > DMCA in the Supreme Court.
> >
> >Last year Russian programmer Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while visiting
> >America for writing software in Russia that is legal under Russian law.
> >Adobe took offense to his actions and had him arrested under the DMCA. He
> >was arrested mainly because those in power thought that the American
> > public wouldn't be outraged because he is a foreign Russian (lingering
> > Cold War anger) hacker (evil person who breaks into computers).
> >
> >Ironically, if Bruce Perens is NOT arrested after this announced DMCA
> >violation does this not clearly show that America is the land of selective
> >prosection based upon your economic and social status?
> >
> >http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/23/020723hnperens.xml
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >LUAU mailing list
> >LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: Dan George <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:48:16 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Thursday 25 July 2002 22:23, you wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan George" <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
> > To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors
> >
> > > If your having trouble getting someone to repair your monitors, I will
> >
> > check
> >
> > > with our local repair facility that repairs both TVs and Monitors to
> > > see
> >
> > what
> >
> > > kind a deal he could swing.
> >
> > I figured repairing monitors isn't worth the cost, so I've just been
>
> giving
>
> > all of our dead monitors to the repair guy rather than it all going in
> > the dump. Do you know typical rates for monitor repair?
>
> Depends most of the ones we have go under warranty. But I would
> ask anyways just to see the going rate. Your right by saying most often
> its not worth the expense EXCEPTION flat panel monitors cost around
> $125 to repair but value around $550 and up.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:50:15 -1000 (HST)
> From: Jimen Ching <jching at flex.com>
> To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, R. Scott Belford wrote:
> >Superior information, Wayne. If no one else in the group wants to, my
> >offer stands to spearhead this. I may want to bounce some things off of
> >you, Wayne, and the rest of you as far as names, etc. go, if that is
> >okay. I am not intimidated by the state and federal hoops and I trust
> >myself to be impeccable in the filings. It should not be any trouble
> >for me to start this and leave it behind when we are relocated in the
> >future. Any info the other LUG, mentioned in an earlier thread, has
> >would be good.
>
> On the LinuxForSchools wiki, I added a section on other groups that are
> also donating computers to kids and schools. Ken GoldStein started
> ComputerForKids program, and it is a non-profit organization. He mainly
> deals with Windows PCs though. The wiki has a link to a newsletter that
> he distributes. Would it make sense to place the LinuxForSchools program
> under Ken's program?
>
> --jc
> --
> Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) jching at flex.com wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> From: Dan George <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:20:59 -1000
> Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>
> On Friday 26 July 2002 01:07, you wrote:
> > Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on
> > stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday.
>
> While
>
> > he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his
> > high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win
> > the court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating
> > the DMCA in the Supreme Court.
> >
> > Last year Russian programmer Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while visiting
> > America for writing software in Russia that is legal under Russian law.
> > Adobe took offense to his actions and had him arrested under the DMCA.
> > He was arrested mainly because those in power thought that the American
>
> public
>
> > wouldn't be outraged because he is a foreign Russian (lingering Cold War
> > anger) hacker (evil person who breaks into computers).
> >
> > Ironically, if Bruce Perens is NOT arrested after this announced DMCA
> > violation does this not clearly show that America is the land of
> > selective prosection based upon your economic and social status?
>
> HERE, HERE! Totally agree with that!
>
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