[luau] RE: LUAU digest, Vol 1 #300 - 14 msgs
Steven Tomlinson
steve at mail.falconio.com
Fri Jul 26 17:44:00 PDT 2002
Aloha Al,
I've never met you either, feel free to call anytime.
Not looking to start a war, sorry if I was stepping on your "territory".
You offered a solution to a problem so I did too. Of course everyone knows
about the RoadRunner & Verizon DSL monopolies since they have millions of
dollars to spend on marketing. But most people do not know about the unique
services and willingness to accomodate special requests available from
smaller ISPs such as yours and mine.
Sorry if I offended anyone else by announcing the availablity of our service
as a possible solution to the problem being discussed.
Mahalo,
Steven Tomlinson
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Today's Topics:
1. Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Steven
Tomlinson)
2. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (al
plant)
3. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (MonMotha)
4. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (R. Scott Belford)
5. Re: Re: Configuring Router (Michael Ableyev)
6. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Cliff
Brown)
7. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Dustin
Cross)
8. Re: Re: Configuring Router (MonMotha)
9. Re: OpenOffice 1.0.1 (Dean Fujioka)
10. Re: Donating Monitors (Dean Fujioka)
11. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (Dean Fujioka)
12. Re: Donating Monitors (Dan George)
13. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (Jimen Ching)
14. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (Dan George)
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Message: 1
From: "Steven Tomlinson" <steve at mail.falconio.com>
To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:26:49 -1000
Subject: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router)
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Aloha Fellow Linux Users,
If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location
situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office is
located near Ala Moana.
Steve Tomlinson
Falcon I`o Internet Services
www.falconio.com
330-1647
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:45:33 -1000
From: al plant <webmaster at hawaiidakine.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring
Router)
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Steven Tomlinson wrote:
>
> Aloha Fellow Linux Users,
> If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location
> situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office
is
> located near Ala Moana.
>
> Steve Tomlinson
> Falcon I`o Internet Services
> www.falconio.com
> 330-1647
>
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I don't know who you are, but If you want to start an ISP war on this
site you are leaning that way. This list has run for years without it.
There are a lot of ISP's on this list including RoadRunner and
ourselves. I think the folks on this list are capable of researching
their own solutions.
Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com
Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii.
Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2
Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:58:48 -0500
From: MonMotha <monmotha at indy.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Warren Togami wrote:
> Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on
> stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday.
While
> he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his
> high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win
the
> court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the
DMCA
> in the Supreme Court.
Or maybe not...
A story on /. says that Bruce has decided not to, apparently under
pressure from his employer, HP.
"...Bruce Perens has backed out of his plan to demonstrate how to modify
a DVD player to break region coding (and openly violate the DMCA as
well) due to pressure from his employer, Hewlett Packard. I wish HP had
given him their blessing on this, but I guess they have to worry about
shareholders first..."
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gillm
or/ejournal/3735855.htm
--MonMotha
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Message: 4
From: "R. Scott Belford" <sctinc at flex.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:42:01 -0500
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Superior information, Wayne. If no one else in the group wants to, my offer
stands to spearhead this. I may want to bounce some things off of you,
Wayne, and the rest of you as far as names, etc. go, if that is okay. I am
not intimidated by the state and federal hoops and I trust myself to be
impeccable in the filings. It should not be any trouble for me to start
this
and leave it behind when we are relocated in the future. Any info the other
LUG, mentioned in an earlier thread, has would be good.
see ya'll later
scott
On Friday 26 July 2002 13:16, you wrote:
> In order for your efforts to continue, it is almost inevitable
> that you need to incorporate MPLUG as a non-profit org.
>
> However, as I mentioned previously, b/f incorporating, you must
> make sure that you have an infrastructure to make sure that all the
> corporate formalities and reporting requirements are met.
>
> To incorporate a non-corporation in Hawaii, you must first file an
> Article of incorporation and Bylaws with DCCA (in most other states,
> you file these documents with the secretary of state), with languages
> that conform to IRS Section 501(c)(3) requirements. Both are no big
> deal, and
> typically it will take a minimum of 5 days for DCCA to file-stamp the
> documents.
> (In many other states, you can get same-day registration.)
>
> Then you have to file for federal and state tax ID numbers. I suppose
> MPLUG will not have employees nor be paying excise tax, then, there is no
> need for a state tax ID.
>
> The most important step in becoming a non-profit org is to file IRS Form
> 1023,
> "application for recognition of exemption under Section 501(c)(3) of IRC".
> This typically takes 4~6 months. But I have heard applications that
> were approved
> in a little over two months. The tax-exempt status typically begins
> when Form 1023
> is filed, or when the org is formed if it is within 15 months of filing.
> But some cautious donors may want your tax-exempt number. This sometimes
> can become a problem.
>
> In Hawaii, once you become a tax-exempt org under the federal
> statute, there is generally no additional requirement at the state level.
>
> After your non-profit org is established, there are, of course, the
> needs to annually file
> FORM 990 tax return, as well as keep all the corporate books and minutes
> of meetings.
>
> Incorporation is the way to go, but it takes certain discipline.
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Message: 5
From: "Michael Ableyev" <charon at netzero.net>
To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:00:50 -1000
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Well, if you weren't uploading at the time, there was no cause for the
> extreme packet loss on your end. I have seen upwards of 40% on my line,
> but it was usually them doing "maintainance" (and it was scheduled for a
> week in advance, so I believe them). However, if you see heavy packet
> loss while you're uploading, there's a reason. The reason of course is
> that when the line is maxed and you still want to send more, the device
> just has to drop the packet once the queue gets full.
>
> This is why you commonly see terrible download speeds when uploading on
> cabel modems. The TCP acks are being dropped, and the other end
throttles.
>
> This is why people move the queue from the cable modem (which is usually
> just a simple FIFO) to one one a linux box. The linux box can run a
> different queue discipline that can prioritize packets much more
> effectively. For example, give all TCP ACKs top end of the queue
> priority to keep the downloads going at an acceptable level.
>
> More info availabel upon request, again ask warren to have me make a
> wiki (I don't want to put up a wiki that RR wouldn't like, that's what
> FreeNet is for :)
>
> --MonMotha
Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I
practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem
in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is
experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an
area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their
backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an
open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced somewhat.
There isn't really anything I can do about it (according
to them).
As for that Wiki, I think it would be a most interesting reading! Warren:
How about it?
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:09:44 -1000
From: Cliff Brown <brownc001 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring
Router)
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
al plant wrote:
>Steven Tomlinson wrote:
>
>
>>Aloha Fellow Linux Users,
>>If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location
>>situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office
is
>>located near Ala Moana.
>>
>>Steve Tomlinson
>>Falcon I`o Internet Services
>>www.falconio.com
>>330-1647
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>LUAU mailing list
>>LUAU at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
>>http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>I don't know who you are, but If you want to start an ISP war on this
>site you are leaning that way. This list has run for years without it.
>
>There are a lot of ISP's on this list including RoadRunner and
>ourselves. I think the folks on this list are capable of researching
>their own solutions.
>
>
>
>Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com
>Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii.
>Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2
>Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
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>
>
>
I think you are out of line, Al... He's not saying anything that you
haven't said in the past, and he was mentioned in other folks' posts.
Cliff
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:24:57 -1000 (HST)
Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring
Router)
From: "Dustin Cross" <dusty at sandust.com>
To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
I agree, that was way out of line!
Dusty
>>
> I think you are out of line, Al... He's not saying anything that you
> haven't said in the past, and he was mentioned in other folks' posts.
> Cliff
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:29:42 -0500
From: MonMotha <monmotha at indy.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I
practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem
> in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is
experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an
> area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their
backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an
> open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced
somewhat. There isn't really anything I can do about it (according
> to them).
>
> As for that Wiki, I think it would be a most interesting reading! Warren:
How about it?
>
What kind of cable modem you got (don't need any serial numbers or
anything, just a manufacturer and model number if possible, possibly a
physical description of the casing)?
--MonMotha
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:42:07 -1000
From: Dean Fujioka <surfdean at hawaii.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] OpenOffice 1.0.1
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Ben,
that's the setting that I unchecked, but it left my quotes as ???s. It
did fix itself when I changed to charter font though...
dean
Ben Beeson wrote:
>Dean,
>
> In Open office, go to "Tools" then "Autocorrect/AutoFormat" select the
>"options" tab and uncheck the entry for "Replace standard quotes with
>?custom? quotes?...."
>
>Ben
>
>
>
>
>On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:39 pm, you wrote:
>
>
>>I was wondering if anyone else experienced this same issue...
>>When I'm using the word processor, if i type a quote " it will replace
>>it with a ? on the screen, but when I print it, it comes out OK. It
>>also happens if I do a double hyphen--for emphasis--and I don't know the
>>reason why. I tried a setting for single and double quotes (I actually
>>turned it off) but it did the same thing. My doc looks fine in
>>OpenOffice 1.0.0 on my sin98 machine, but when I brought it over to the
>>linux side w OO 1.0.1, this question mark thing happened. any ideas?
>>
>>dean
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:49:42 -1000
From: Dean Fujioka <surfdean at hawaii.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
I think that's Royal Data...
R. Scott Belford wrote:
>On Friday 26 July 2002 00:46, you wrote:
>
>
>>Aloha,
>>
>>Sandi and I still have several (approx 25) 15-17" pc monitors that work
and
>>a few that don't if the repair guy can use them for parts. We are ready
to
>>donate them. Sandi wants them donated to a non-profit org so we can write
>>it off on the taxes. I don't think LUAU or MPLUG counts. Do we have any
>>plan to deal with this?
>>
>>
>
>I am in Georgia now. When I get back, or earlier, I intend to file
articles
>of incorporation for a non-profit. This should help.
>
>
>
>>>Scott gave several of our broken monitors to this guy that repairs
>>>monitors in his garage. Does anyone have the address and contact
>>>information for this guy?
>>>
>>>We have about 15 more broken monitors.
>>>Warren
>>>
>>>
>
>This guy is located on a road that intersects the Pali just past that
really
>big cemetary down the road from the UH. Dean knows the place. I don't
know
>the name right now.
>
>scott
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:10:53 -1000
From: Dean Fujioka <surfdean at hawaii.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
I guess maybe he's not going to do it
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gillm
or/ejournal/
conference updates here:
http://www.oreillynet.com/oscon2002/
dean
Warren Togami wrote:
>Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on
>stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday. While
>he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his
>high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win
the
>court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the DMCA
>in the Supreme Court.
>
>Last year Russian programmer Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while visiting
>America for writing software in Russia that is legal under Russian law.
>Adobe took offense to his actions and had him arrested under the DMCA. He
>was arrested mainly because those in power thought that the American public
>wouldn't be outraged because he is a foreign Russian (lingering Cold War
>anger) hacker (evil person who breaks into computers).
>
>Ironically, if Bruce Perens is NOT arrested after this announced DMCA
>violation does this not clearly show that America is the land of selective
>prosection based upon your economic and social status?
>
>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/23/020723hnperens.xml
>
>
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Message: 12
From: Dan George <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:48:16 -1000
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
On Thursday 25 July 2002 22:23, you wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan George" <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors
>
> > If your having trouble getting someone to repair your monitors, I will
>
> check
>
> > with our local repair facility that repairs both TVs and Monitors to see
>
> what
>
> > kind a deal he could swing.
>
> I figured repairing monitors isn't worth the cost, so I've just been
giving
> all of our dead monitors to the repair guy rather than it all going in the
> dump. Do you know typical rates for monitor repair?
>
Depends most of the ones we have go under warranty. But I would
ask anyways just to see the going rate. Your right by saying most often
its not worth the expense EXCEPTION flat panel monitors cost around
$125 to repair but value around $550 and up.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:50:15 -1000 (HST)
From: Jimen Ching <jching at flex.com>
To: <luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, R. Scott Belford wrote:
>Superior information, Wayne. If no one else in the group wants to, my
>offer stands to spearhead this. I may want to bounce some things off of
>you, Wayne, and the rest of you as far as names, etc. go, if that is
>okay. I am not intimidated by the state and federal hoops and I trust
>myself to be impeccable in the filings. It should not be any trouble
>for me to start this and leave it behind when we are relocated in the
>future. Any info the other LUG, mentioned in an earlier thread, has
>would be good.
On the LinuxForSchools wiki, I added a section on other groups that are
also donating computers to kids and schools. Ken GoldStein started
ComputerForKids program, and it is a non-profit organization. He mainly
deals with Windows PCs though. The wiki has a link to a newsletter that
he distributes. Would it make sense to place the LinuxForSchools program
under Ken's program?
--jc
--
Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) jching at flex.com wh6brr at uhm.ampr.org
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Message: 14
From: Dan George <linuxdan at hawaii.rr.com>
To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:20:59 -1000
Reply-To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
On Friday 26 July 2002 01:07, you wrote:
> Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on
> stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday.
While
> he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his
> high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win
> the court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the
> DMCA in the Supreme Court.
>
> Last year Russian programmer Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while visiting
> America for writing software in Russia that is legal under Russian law.
> Adobe took offense to his actions and had him arrested under the DMCA. He
> was arrested mainly because those in power thought that the American
public
> wouldn't be outraged because he is a foreign Russian (lingering Cold War
> anger) hacker (evil person who breaks into computers).
>
> Ironically, if Bruce Perens is NOT arrested after this announced DMCA
> violation does this not clearly show that America is the land of selective
> prosection based upon your economic and social status?
HERE, HERE! Totally agree with that!
> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/23/020723hnperens.xml
>
>
>
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