What are the values of certifications? (Was Re: Sair GNU/Linux thread)

[Joseph Phillips]

Eric,

	Sorry, no offense intended, but there is always the exception that proves 
the rule :P

Deven

On Thursday 25 October 2001 12:27 am, you wrote:
> Deven,
>
> PHB's?
> Gee, Thanks,  ;-)
> Maybe I should have asked if you knew DOS because it was not on your
> resume.
>
> Sorry, had to say something, BTW. Best of luck and sucess in your new job.
>
> Eric Hagen                  "Sometimes we get lost in the darkness,
> ehagen at Hawaii.Edu	     the dreamers learn to steer by the stars..."
> 			    "You fight for something because it is good.
> 	 				Not because it stands to succeed."
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Joseph Phillips wrote:
> > Charles,
> >
> > 	I'll be the first to admit that certifications really don't mean
> > anything worth real value to people who know something. The only reason I
> > see for certifications is for PHBs (Pointy Haired Bosses) whose only
> > understanding is that they know a piece of paper. They can't really judge
> > your technical merits because they don't have the expertise to ask the
> > right questions. Admittadly, there are far too many certified individuals
> > who don't actually know much. We all have probably seen the MCSE that
> > doesn't understand the TCP/IP does not actually fit the OSI reference
> > model, and if you try to tell them it doesn't they'll argue it till
> > death. I understand this, you understand this, and more people should
> > understand; but PHBs don't and don't want to. They want to see a document
> > that says that you know what you are talking about, end of story. Sad but
> > true.
> >
> > Deven Phillips, CISSP, LCA, LCI, MCP, ABCDEFG
> > Overcertified Sellout
> > RITSC Hawaii Information Assurance
> >
> > On Tuesday 23 October 2001 10:29 pm, you wrote:
> > > Sorry for the rabble rousing...
> > >
> > > But why should I have to pay some company for a piece of paper that
> > > says I am a "Qualified Linux Operator/Administrator?"   I probably have
> > > as much real-world Linux/Unix experience as anybody on this list -
> > > would it be just for me, and others like me, to have to purchase a
> > > certification in order to prove our professional competence to an
> > > employer?
> > >
> > > I know that this is an old argument, but I still believe that it is
> > > relevant to discuss this.  Certifications may be fine for the
> > > career-oriented acolyte, but I believe that it is a bane to the
> > > professionals who already have a body of experience.
> > >
> > > I have had the good luck of working in companies and consulting groups
> > > which don't use certifications as the ultimate metric of a person's
> > > competence, but I have heard the horror stories...
> > >
> > > peas,
> > > charles
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:21:03PM -1000, Wilson Chan wrote:
> > > > Deven,
> > > >
> > > > Just curious how much would the class cost?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wilson
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Joseph Phillips [mailto:d-spair at hawaii.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:37 PM
> > > > To: Linux & Unix Advocates & Users
> > > > Subject: [luau] Re: Sair Linux & GNU's 25% Off Prometric Exam
> > > > discount
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > 	Go and get yourself a voucher, I will talk to Ken Pounds about
> > > > getting together a class schedule, and I'll teach whichever course
> > > > the majority of you want to sign up for.  The tests are normally
> > > > $100, so %25 off means they are only $75 dollars. Sounds like a great
> > > > deal!!!
> > > >
> > > > Deven Phillips, CISSP, LCA, LCI
> > > > Sair GNU/Linux Certified Instructor
> > > > Applied Computer Training & Technology
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday 23 October 2001 05:23 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > I just saw this promotion. Just incase anyone was interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.linuxcertification.com/prometrictestvoucher
> > > > >
> > > > >
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