[LUAU] LUAU Sub Group mailing lists

[John W Christian]

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:37:50 -1000 (HST) Jimen Ching <jching at flex.com>
writes:
>On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Chris Wong wrote:
>>The integration between the groups is weak and that might be a flaw in
the 
>>design. They each overlap HEAVILY. Nevertheless, we'll work with this
>>model until a better one comes out. (you're free to suggest one)
>>
Our groups have overlaps [which well may be true...] but that is
necessary 
to keep us communicating with each other [& not forming clicks/groups of
isolationists] while balancing by the overall decision of the majority. 
What 
Chris thinks a flaw, is actually a good design for those whose interests
tend 
mainly in one area yet still want to be clued in other areas [without
being 
overloaded with information from all areas {of interest}] [as Chris may
have 
noted in people who registered for the various projects...  some will do
all
{more power to them}, some will drop out entirely {too bad for them :-( 
, and
some will stay with the project(s) that interest them most...] 
Integration, 
between groups will occur at the main meetings when each project presents
their work to the whole for comments & final vote on acceptance [or
debate]
{like caucasses in Congress bring their findings, bills to the entire
Congress}.
[if it works for the US & most Linux groups, it should work for us...  
;-)  ].

SNIP
luau-organization at hoku.net
PR stuff. Organizational stuff. Boring stuff.
SNIP
hehehe Chris, somebody gotta do it.....  ;-)

>Well, the problem is, I don't have a vision of the big picture.  I don't
>know what LUAU members want.  I certainly don't know what the 
>capabilities of LUAU are.  So it is hard to comment on these groups, 
>must less makesuggestions to them.
>
nod, join the subgroups & see what they need, if your are interested [&
if
not.... unsubscribe].  Like Chris said, if you can think of other
projects 
[you feel] should be more organized into a group project.... bring it up
NOW 
& at the meeting....

>If you want a basic suggestion, here's one.  Fix up the webpage quick,
>that thing hasn't changed since who knows when.  The 'next meeting' 
>page still says the next meeting is on Aug. 1998.  Then write up a cgi
for
>polling purposes.  This way, people can poll and comment without sending
>'me toos' to the list.  If it is too much effort to maintain a good
>looking page, then just have a simple text only page.  I prefer
something
>that is uptodate than eye-candy.  You can always have two web pages, one
>that is text only and one with all the visual delites.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE A CANDIDATE TO JOIN THE WEBPAGE 
& DOCUMENTATION GROUPS......

>
>Here's another.  Put all that stuff in your head online.  I'm sure your
>head can hold lots of information.  But unless the members get access 
>to them, they can't contribute.  Note, by 'in your head', I mean those
things
>that are related to LUAU which you have on your computer or your desk. 
> I don't mean literally.
Nod, point taken.  THINGS must be explained in more detail ....  But then
you
will have to read my verbose emails....   ;-)

>
>You have to provide a foundation where it is easy to make suggestions,
>before you can request suggestions.  How do you do this?  Again, I don't
>know enough about the capability of LUAU to make any suggestions.  To 
>get pass this obsticle, how about putting on the web page a list of all 
>the resources available to LUAU?  Note, only permanent resources count. 
I
>doubt anyone would work on a project that only gets usage for about a
week
>or a month. 
WRONG !  I know many people who will work on [very] short term projects;
BUT
NOT LONG PERMANENT PROJECTS [unless they are being paid or gaining 
sopme sort of satisfaction.....]

 Here's a list of stuff that should be useful:
>
>1.  Net access: how much bandwidth does LUAU have to the net?
>2.  Computers: how much cpu power is available?
>3.  Equipment: are there any special devices available to LUAU?
>4.  Knowledge: what is the knowledge level of contributing members?
>5.  Leadership: what is the direction of LUAU?
SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE A CANDIDATE FOR THE PROJECTS GROUP TOO!

>
>It is odd that leadership is listed as a resource, but it really is.
>Organizations and groups (from my experience) don't move through votes 
>or agreements, they are herded by a leader.  If the members don't like 
>the direction, they find a new leader (or convince the leader to
change).  
>I know lots of people don't like to hear this, but it is true.
Nod, true for very few Linux Orgs where there is a Furher and follwers...
But our group has always been led by consensus [and some quite vocal
personalities] who have helped us remained shal we say on the Right 
Track?

>
>Here is an example of #4:  I am a full time software engineer.  I 
>mainly
>program in C, on the job.  But I prefer to program in C++.  I am also
>working on the TWIN project.  Actually, I'm the maintainer of that
>project.  I know how to setup and use cvs, and just about anything 
>related
>to software development.  I'll volunteer to help anyone who wants to 
>learn
>C or C++.  Note, I'm not a graphics person.  I don't know Motif/GTK or
>anything that requires a window.  All of my programs are scrolling 
>text.
>I also don't know much about system administration or security.  I 
>learn
>just enough to keep the system up.  If anyone find my domain of 
>knowledge
>to be useful, just drop me an email.
WELL IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE A CANDIDATE FOR THE TRAINING
GROUP ALSO....
>
>Now, your turn.  That goes for the rest of you.

JC, now its your turn to decide which group(s) [you would care to join 
{& maybe even head} with your interests]; BUT ONLY YOU CAN 
DECIDE THAT {& help make the group}....

>
>--jc
>
>P.S.  Don't forget to put this stuff on the web page.

The only CAVEAT that each group must abide is that whatever they do,
the entire LUAU org has final say [by debating & voting what the 
individual groups presents].  And if the group does not present the 
material to LUAU, than it cannot represent LUAU till LUAU approves.
No leader, no strong-arming, just consensus....

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