I hear you loud and clear! I remember when everyone needed to be a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer). Today everyone needs to be an MCSE. I am still amazed when I go to a job interview ( I have been a SunOS/SOLARIS SYS ADMIN for a several years) and I am asked why I don't have an MCSE. I always thought it was obvious (I'm here to maintain your several million dollars worth of financial servers, not your video game desktop). When I got into management my bosses asked why my employees weren't MCSEs. Dusty PS - I am sure I missed several points, but I have just been seeing too many pro BS (I mean MS) articles and supposed news stories lately. So I asked my accountant, do I get an agriculture exemption for my server farm?