[LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu

[Maddog]

oops, got the numbers backwards. Should %5.5 Million for Anaheim and $10 
Million for Philly.

MD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maddog" <maddog at heavymetalradio.net>
To: "LUAU" <luau at lists.hosef.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu


> That was my point. I argued in the last go around that it was doubtful 
> that companies could offer truly free Wi-Fi because of the cost of 
> bandwidth and Wi-Fi equipment. Jim shot a 30 odd six at me telling me I 
> knew nothing of Wi-Fi, bandwidth or the cost of equipment. With the 
> release of articles this week outlining the fact the Earthlink spent $5.5 
> million to roll out Philly and $10 Million to roll out Anaheim. You cannot 
> pay for that sort of capital outlay by having FREE Internet access.
>
> Free meaning no pay. Free does not mean that it is subsidized by ads. My 
> point in the last go around was that someone has to pay somewhere. Ad 
> supported means that advertisers will pay up front and eventually they 
> will have to see a return. If they do not Free goes away. That is why you 
> see hybrid models because even the Earthlinks realize that ad revenue 
> won't be enough to support the huge capital outlays it takes to set up a 
> metro Wi-Fi network. Just in Anaheim they don't even expect to see 
> "meaningful results" (whatever that means) until 2009. That doesn't even 
> say break even.
>
> I am just going to have to rest on this side of this debate until I see 
> something "meaningful" in Waikiki. There are way to many hands to feed to 
> deploy FREE Wi-Fi (anything bigger than a few blocks near the zoo) in 
> Waikiki and to be successful. Every hotelier there thinks that if one of 
> their guests buys something while logged onto your network, you owe them a 
> cut. Once Shakanet starts to see ad revenue this will be the proverbial 
> brick wall they will need to hurdle.
>
> MD
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julian Yap" <julian_yap at yahoo.com>
> To: "LUAU" <luau at lists.hosef.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [LUAU] Wireless in Honolulu
>
>
>> --- Maddog <maddog at heavymetalradio.net> wrote:
>>> This is a business model. As long as the hotels are densly
>>> covering Waikiki
>>> this model is going to require shakanet or whoever else to
>>> determine where
>>> something was bought and to contribute a share to the hotels.
>>> I'd like to
>>> see truly free, not ad supported, wireless everywhere. It just
>>> is going to
>>> be tough to do it here. I will keep my eyes on the project but
>>> I won't be
>>> surprised if it is not seen through to fruition.
>>
>> Maddog,
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean.  Or what free model you would
>> propose that would cover all your bases and be considered free
>> in your eyes?
>>
>> ~ Julian
>>
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