[luau] Moderation--of all kinds

[cpaul at telemetrybox.org]

If I didn't know any better, I'd think that you were a paid saboteur for the proprietary software industry.


Shape up or take your bullshit off this list.  



On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 01:47:29PM -1000, LinuxDan wrote:
> I love this list.  I have gained so much support for my non-profit group so
> keep up the good work :o>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: luau-admin at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> [mailto:luau-admin at videl.ics.hawaii.edu]On Behalf Of Tom Donahoe
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:10 PM
> To: luau at videl.ics.hawaii.edu
> Subject: [luau] Moderation--of all kinds
> 
> On 2/22/03 10:36 AM, "Kevin Goad" <kevg at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > How about a little diplomacy?  This list should have a mediator.
> >
> >
> Hi All--
> 
>     Kevin, I agree a little more diplomacy is in order. It is disappointing
> that there has been so much pettiness on this list of late. I thought we
> were here to learn about and support the Open Source movement. And while I
> understand that a cornerstone of the whole movement is a free exchange of
> ideas, when things become little more than personal invective and
> self-aggrandizement, I wonder how successful this movement will become.
>     This type of behavior does not allow us as a community to progress. The
> battles we fight against proprietary software manufacturers and the attitude
> among users of that software are hard enough without senseless infighting.
> Disagreements and differences of opinion are fine and healthy, but when it
> is nothing more than childish, personal attacks, our attempts to bring about
> change are weakened. These dilute the efforts of the many who are trying to
> do go good by making us all look bad. Clearly some moderation--by which I
> mean less extreme behavior--is called for
>     Kevin asks for moderation of another kind--someone willing to edit the
> contributions to the list by keeping out such  emails. I have some problems
> with that, and I think others on this list might. (After all, what would
> keep a moderator from acting in the same childish way, letting in only those
> emails he/she agrees with?) On the other hand, I am seriously toying with
> leaving the list, just because a small number of people seem incapable of
> acting civilized.
>     All communities have rules governing behavior. Freedom of speech is a
> right we enjoy in the US; however, it is not absolute. As a society we have
> put a variety of restrictions on free speech. We have coupled these
> restrictions with penalties for those who transgress the limits. We could do
> the same in this community if we decided that was a way to stop this kind of
> pettiness. Rights demand responsibility. If everyone acted that way, things
> would be great, and I wouldn't be writing this. We could make a community
> decision about how we react when trivial exchanges of this type occur.
>     Or not.  In the end, we are all here by the grace of owner(s) of the
> list. Whomever this is could decide unilaterally, and we'd have to abide by
> the decision, or go somewhere else and start another list. I prefer the
> community approach myself, but accept the reality of the second. Perhaps it
> wouldn't hurt if we started acting as if we were guests in another person's
> house.
>     I have mixed feelings about writing this email. On the one hand, I feel
> it is necessary to say something. On the other, I have a sense that it will
> only encourage more of the same impropriety we have seen recently. I hope
> that is not true, and I hope we can strive for greater civility in our all
> exchanges.
> 
> Aloha
> Tom Donahoe
> 
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