FW: [LUAU] Saturday Meeting
Ronald Willis
ronal at linuxnetworks.org
Tue Nov 14 14:53:40 PST 2000
Greetings All,
Seems like we have a null in traffic and I would like to propose a solution.
First of all since I was in the line of fire when the previous election
became an issue, I have seen the issues surrounding it from a different
perspective than most. And paid a price for it.
When LUAU decides to organize itself again, as I suggested last time, it
would be in everyone's best interest to have your potential leader or
leaders, present what their intentions are before you vote. Otherwise you
get exactly what you deserve.
If patients is what it takes to lead this group than that is a quality that
your leader must have.
If a long term objective is important than a leader must focus on it.
If a loose organization is all that matters than it must be made clear up
front, avoiding any disappointment in the long run.
Would you take the word of a car salesman before you buy a car? Would you
take the word of a salesperson at your local computer store about a specific
Linux distribution before you bought it?
All of us are privileged with the freedom of choice again!
The group does need to put some old issues behind it, and now is
a good time to do it. Since this month represents the beginning of
the holidays, and historically attendance at the meetings are slow,
Id recommend that LUAU take a breather till January from any formal
meetings (formal means business related only) to gather its balance
again. Meet officially again in January with the intention of establishing
a new leadership. Only interested parties will attend, so choose amongst
those in attendance. They will be your core contributors anyway.
But if you don't ask of your new leaders what they stand for, and what it
will mean to LUAU, than history will repeat itself, again, see below;
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Read it completely please, otherwise it is meaningless, some will think that
anyway. But that is ok. At least this is my humble contribution.
May the email list get back to business as usual, we have to hear enough of
this political/voting crap as it is!
Ron Willis, LBN
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-luau at luau.hi.net [mailto:owner-luau at luau.hi.net]On Behalf Of
john
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 5:46 PM
To: luau at luau.hi.net
Subject: RE: [LUAU] Saturday Meeting
There is a meeting tonight
this ends my term in office
whether there is an election or not, I will be
passing over posters, banners, receipt [for the
posters and banner {$223.60}], and funds [$198.00]
to someone tonight
it will be hard to transfer operations otherwise
how LUAU proceeds [as always] will be up to LUAU
Zach says LUAU should be loosely associated. Ron
says there should be an interim facilitator, till
LUAU decides how it wants to proceed. I hope LUAU
agrees on some sort of organization if they want
to do anything towards the Public
the group in past never was able to agree to come
together to host or do any public events or demonstrations;
and never considered LINUX of any interest to the
General Public
i think the LINUX PIZZA meetings last year proved
otherwise as we are constantly having new members
or people who want to know more about LINUX; and
usually need to see and learn the basic stuff before
they can understand the more advance features of
LINUX
we have held this last year a booth at the '99
PC Expo; and we have formed SIGs [special interest
groups] for users who have a more passionate interest
in items that may not interest the rest of LUAU
as much, or be more technical then the pizza meetings.
And these SIGs can work on projects that would
help benefit LUAU.
to do that there needs to be organization; and
if not that, then dedication and determination
groups [cause it is hard to accomplish as individuals]
to do projects if others decide not to participate
and we had those who did not participate on their
own choice. smoe believe attending tonight's meeting
is not a choice. I disagree.
Last month at the MIC was announced that the third
tuesday meeting was cancelled to hold elections.
Some who have not participated or attended the
LINUX pizzas now want to hold it there and then.
I find it quite odd after they have fought so diligently
to have LUAU meetings elsewhere [in the Leeward
area] and at other times [like Saturdays] that
they want to hold the voting at the MIC on Tuesday.
If they hold it there, fine. But I think it is
strange that if they did not want me in office
or wanted to change things as they are now, why
do they would refuse to participate when it is
the time to change it?
Whatever LUAU decides I will do my best to participate
If they keep the meeting at the MIC, on the third
Tuesday, I will attend. If they change locations
or times and dates, like everyone else, I will
have to see if I can attend
john
---- "Zachary P. Taylor" <ztaylor at aloha.net> wrote:
> When this group was started it was for
> the purpose of helping people learn
> about Linux. If you needed to know how to setup
> X-Windows, then LUAU was the
> place to go. It was a loose organization there
> to help people. Nobody
> squabbled, we did our best to accommodate everyone.
> We did not have a
> President, because there was no need for one.
> Last year it was decided that
> we needed to elect a group of people to guide
> LUAU. Is that still true? If
> that is what the group wants fine, but LUAU is
> still a group of people that
> help people with Linux, and if people want some
> sort of Political
> organization, I don't think LUAU is the place
> for it. No matter what is
> decided LUAU is still a group of people there
> to help people that want to
> learn Linux, or need help with LINUX, a group
> that listens to every member,
> not some governing body. I hope I am not wrong
> about the group I started 5
> years ago. I hope that the current problems within
> the group can be fixed
> and that LUAU can get on with helping people
> with Linux.
>
> Zach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-luau at luau.hi.net [mailto:owner-luau at luau.hi.net]On
> Behalf Of
> Cyberclops
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 5:08 AM
> To: luau at luau.hi.net
> Subject: Re: [LUAU] Saturday Meeting
>
>
> Sounds like Hawaiian politics as usual. Tell
> me it won't be so.
>
> Ronald Willis wrote:
>
> > Do your best, I cannot make the meeting.
> >
> > For those of you who will attend I wish you
> a productive session.
> > Keep in mind why you are really there. You
> are not there by choice.
> >
> > You are also not representing the majority.
> An election tonight at
> > that meeting will not be in our best interest.
> It will be in the
> > interest of separating and weakening the group
> even further, then we
> > all loose when that occurs.
> >
> > What you truly have in common is the desire
> to work together, now decide
> > how. Appoint a facilitator for the election
> process amongst yourselves,
> then
> > have some fun. Conduct the election through
> the list and get us back
> > together again. You folks hold the torch, don't
> let any single individual
> > put it out.
> > You already know everything you need to know,
> just look around you.
> >
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